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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit in VB6
Date: 21 Sep 2001 15:33:22 GMT
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In article <MiBq7.1150$CL.40340@sjcpnn01.usenetserver.com>,
rnglauz <bglauz@parkbilling.com> wrote:
: We have program which generates a data file that we would like to transfer
: to a Kermit server (old 386). This is working okay using PDQ Comm.
: However, after the file transfer, we would also like to send DOS
: instructions to do the following three operations:
: copy z*.* a: (this copies the file just transmitted to a floppy
: for transfer to another computer)
: copy z*.* \u (this copies to a backup directory)
: del z*.* (this deletes the original file from the pdl
: directory)
:
: PDQ Comm does not appear to do this easily. Is there any other control
: available for VB6 which can do this.
:
You're asking two questions: how to do something in Kermit, and is there
a Kermit control for VB6.
No, there is no Kermit control for VB6. See:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95faq.html#embedding
Is there a Kermit program for Windows that does what you want? Yes:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html
Can you invoke it from VB6? Yes, the first URL explains how.
- Frank
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From: rich@kastle.com (Richard Krehbiel)
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Subject: Kermit-95: turn off telnet options negotiation?
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The only reason I still use the windows telnet app is because I
sometimes (and not all that infrequently) need to connect to something
that's not a telnet server. It may be an nntp or smtp server, or one
of several diagnostic socket ports I've coded into my own apps.
In my perusal of the Kermit documentation, however, I haven't seen the
switch that'll turn off all attempts to do telnet options negotiation.
No IACs, no DOs, DONTs, WILLs, WONTs, sent or received. Just the
text, ma'am.
Is there a way to do this? Thanks.
(BTW a major reason I like Kermit-95 better than other terminal
emulators and telnet apps is because I can hit Alt-Enter and get a
real text-mode full screen view. K95-GUI is likely to lose this
ability. Sigh - I guess I won't be upgrading.)
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit-95: turn off telnet options negotiation?
Date: 21 Sep 2001 16:34:52 GMT
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In article <e6bbd267.0109210825.71b72271@posting.google.com>,
Richard Krehbiel <rich@kastle.com> wrote:
: The only reason I still use the windows telnet app is because I
: sometimes (and not all that infrequently) need to connect to something
: that's not a telnet server. It may be an nntp or smtp server, or one
: of several diagnostic socket ports I've coded into my own apps.
:
: In my perusal of the Kermit documentation, however, I haven't seen the
: switch that'll turn off all attempts to do telnet options negotiation.
: No IACs, no DOs, DONTs, WILLs, WONTs, sent or received. Just the
: text, ma'am.
:
: Is there a way to do this? Thanks.
:
Try this:
set host /connect <host> <port> /raw
: (BTW a major reason I like Kermit-95 better than other terminal
: emulators and telnet apps is because I can hit Alt-Enter and get a
: real text-mode full screen view. K95-GUI is likely to lose this
: ability. Sigh - I guess I won't be upgrading.)
We expect to issue version 2.00 in both GUI and Console form. You
can make get GUI window any size you want, including the same size as
the physical screen. Don't write it off before you try it.
(And yes, I hope you'll be able to try it very soon.)
- Frank
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Secure version of K95 now downloadable
Date: 21 Sep 2001 19:34:37 GMT
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Wednesday we announced a downloadable trial version of Kermit 95 1.1.20.
With the increasing importance of network security, we have decided to
also make the secure version available to everyone who is allowed by USA
export laws to have it, namely citizens and permanent residents of the
USA and citizens of Canada, who are in the USA or Canada, for use only in
the USA and Canada. Don't blame us for law.
This version of Kermit 95 runs on Windows 95, 98, ME, NT, 2000, and XP
on Intel platforms only. It supports the following security methods:
. MIT Kerberos IV
. MIT Kerberos V
. Secure Sockets Layer / Transport Layer Security (SSL/TSL)
. Stanford Secure Remote Password (SRP)
All of these are IETF-approved forms of Internet security that are
specified in RFCs and in use at major universities, corporations,
government agencies, and other large organizations. This is not
do-it-yourself public key security; it's centrally managed security
requiring a professional network/systems security staff and secure
authentication database.
You can use the security features of Kermit 95 if you are an authorized
user of a host that supports at least one of the security methods listed.
A fair amount of configuration is needed to make Kermit 95 select the
appropriate method and use the parameters relevant to your site, but all
the tools are provided. Configuration and setup is documented in:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/security.html
This download is intended mainly for central-site technical staff to
evaluate Kermit 95 for use within their organization. End-users can not
use it to obtain secure connections in isolation: a secure connection
connection requires security on both ends.
To anticipate the inevitable question, "Why bother with all this stuff
when SSH is so much simpler?": THE MORE SIMPLE, THE LESS SECURE. If you
recognize that any security scheme can be compromised, you also know how
important it is to be able to recover from compromised security keys,
e.g. by revoking them. SSH public-key authorization implementations
leave key files on the hard disk. Anybody who can steal your key file
can decrypt it offline at their leisure to obtain access to all your
hosts. There is no way to revoke SSH keys other than for the affected
user to log in manually to every host and generate new keys (which will
not be possible of the identity thief has already changed them). With
Kerberos and SRP, on the other hand, there are no key files on the disk
to be stolen. If somebody manages to steal your Kerberos identity some
other way (e.g. by guessing your pass phrase), it can be revoked
centrally and the revocation applies immediately to ALL the hosts you
access using Kerberos. It's the classic tradeoff: greater effort up
front buys you more safety and less grief (and effort) down the road.
Objection number 2: "All my hosts require SSH so I even if it's a bad
idea I still need it!": Yes, we know that, and we will support SSH
(v1 *and* v2) in the next Kermit 95 release, but we won't offer it up as
a security panacea.
If you're a network/systems security professional, we invite you to
download the secure K95 demo and try it out. If you have questions or
comments, feel free to send them to us at the regular address:
kermit-support@columbia.edu
If you are a concerned end user, please pass this announcement along to
your support staff, and point out that K95 bulk and site licenses are
dirt cheap:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95pricing.html
You can download the secure K95 trial version on our updated download page:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95download.html
Thanks.
- Frank
From robert@timetraveller.org Sat Sep 22 14:06:40 2001
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Subject: Re: A Unix Tip problem
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In comp.unix.solaris Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
: : Kermit is both a serial utility & a serial transfer protocol. For
: : transfering data, kermit is significantly (2-3 times from memory) slower
: : than Z-modem (sz/rz under unix)
: :
: No, see:
: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/perf.html
My statements on kermit were based on performance tests I carried out
personally. All protocols were tested out of the box. I stand by the 2-3
time performance estimate as it is what I saw with my own eyes.
I note the article you mentioned shows kermit to have superior performance
but the fact is I did not see this when I tested it. Which was a pity as
it was otherwise very convenient to use. The article goes on to suggest
that various implementations of Kermit were poor, which i do not doubt,
but I was using real Kermit on a unix platform on both ends.
The article itself mentions that Kermit takes care of stability first &
speed second. This statement I agree with 100%. I found Kermit to be
very reliable, just not fast :)
: : Before ppp/slip was around I used to do alot of serial file transfers and
: : used to always look for Z-modem, then X-modem and finally kermit.
: :
: This is the kind of advice that was common in the 1980s. Please bring
I did prefix my statement with "Before ppp/slip" :)
: yourself up to date before giving advice in public:
Why? Have any of the mentioned protocols (X-Modem, Z-Modem, or Kermit)
been redrafted since then? They're still the same protocols they were.
You canna change the laws of physics :)
Rob
-- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Email: robert@timetraveller.org
ICQ: 104781119
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <1001172990.577070@blake.timetraveller.org>,
Robert Brockway <robert@timetraveller.org> wrote:
: In comp.unix.solaris Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
: : : Kermit is both a serial utility & a serial transfer protocol. For
: : : transfering data, kermit is significantly (2-3 times from memory)
: : : slower than Z-modem (sz/rz under unix)
: : :
: : No, see:
: :
: : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/perf.html
:
: My statements on kermit were based on performance tests I carried out
: personally. All protocols were tested out of the box. I stand by the 2-3
: time performance estimate as it is what I saw with my own eyes.
:
: I note the article you mentioned shows kermit to have superior performance
: but the fact is I did not see this when I tested it. Which was a pity as
: it was otherwise very convenient to use. The article goes on to suggest
: that various implementations of Kermit were poor, which i do not doubt,
: but I was using real Kermit on a unix platform on both ends.
:
Please state what software you were using in your tests (including version
numbers), the performance related parameter settings, the details of the
connection, and so forth.
The article I cited (and wrote) is also 100% accurate. I ran the tests
myself and I stand behind the results. The article gives all the
particulars of each computer, connection, software product name and version,
and settings so anybody who cares to can check the results themselves.
None of this is to say that there can not be a situation in which Zmodem is
faster than Kermit (or that Kermit is faster than Zmodem). But the
once-common perception that Kermit is intrinsically ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE
slower than Zmodem, Ymodem, and even Xmodem is based on the situation that
existed more than 15 years ago, and even then was mostly based on
low-quality 3rd-party half-baked Kermit implementations.
: The article itself mentions that Kermit takes care of stability first &
: speed second. This statement I agree with 100%. I found Kermit to be
: very reliable, just not fast :)
:
Until recently, Kermit software was delivered with conservative performance
settings to ensure maximum robustness. Perhaps this accounts for your
results. The current version of C-Kermit, 7.0 is delivered with fast
settings by default because the world has changed sufficiently to allow it:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html
(most connections now are over the Internet, over flow-controlled
error-correcting modems, or both). Kermit 95 also uses fast settings by
default. But note that the fast settings have been there all this time,
just not enabled by default, even though we knew this would provoke a
great deal of unfair criticism:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/kermit.html#notslow
: : : Before ppp/slip was around I used to do alot of serial file transfers
: : : and used to always look for Z-modem, then X-modem and finally kermit.
: : :
: : This is the kind of advice that was common in the 1980s. Please bring
:
: I did prefix my statement with "Before ppp/slip" :)
:
: : yourself up to date before giving advice in public:
:
: Why? Have any of the mentioned protocols (X-Modem, Z-Modem, or Kermit)
: been redrafted since then? They're still the same protocols they were.
: You canna change the laws of physics :)
:
I can't speak for the others, but Kermit is constantly being developed
and improved. In fact, it has improved by leaps and bounds even since 1993
when the performance article was written. See, for example, sections
4.18 through 4.20 of:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit2.html
The Kermit protocol was designed from the very beginning to be extensible.
Thus it is quite possible to improve it without breaking its
interoperability with older versions, and that is indeed what we do here.
Anyway, I don't think the world really needs yet another Kermit versus
XYZmodem debate at this late date. It's all been done at great length
before, and you can read all of it in the Kermit newsgroup archives:
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/newsgroups/
The software is out in the open for all who wish to check for themselves.
- Frank
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In comp.protocols.kermit.misc Robert Brockway <robert@timetraveller.org> wrote:
: I did prefix my statement with "Before ppp/slip" :)
: Why? Have any of the mentioned protocols (X-Modem, Z-Modem, or Kermit)
: been redrafted since then? They're still the same protocols they were.
: You canna change the laws of physics :)
You must have missed my post on the subject. Kermit used to be delivered
in a very conservative default mode, with small packets, and no sliding
windows. This yielded low performance, but performance that would work on
lines where ZModem would lock up and require reboots.
Since that time, the Kermit defaults were adjusted for better speed, and
became self correcting so that they still work on poor quality lines.
Chuck Forsberg stopped improving ZModem many years ago.
--
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Clarence A Dold - dold@email.rahul.net
- San Jose & Pope Valley (Napa County) CA.
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From: rich@kastle.com (Richard Krehbiel)
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fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote in message news:<9ofq7c$7ht$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>...
> In article <e6bbd267.0109210825.71b72271@posting.google.com>,
> Richard Krehbiel <rich@kastle.com> wrote:
> : The only reason I still use the windows telnet app is because I
> : sometimes (and not all that infrequently) need to connect to something
> : that's not a telnet server. It may be an nntp or smtp server, or one
> : of several diagnostic socket ports I've coded into my own apps.
> :
> : In my perusal of the Kermit documentation, however, I haven't seen the
> : switch that'll turn off all attempts to do telnet options negotiation.
> : No IACs, no DOs, DONTs, WILLs, WONTs, sent or received. Just the
> : text, ma'am.
> :
> : Is there a way to do this? Thanks.
> :
> Try this:
>
> set host /connect <host> <port> /raw
Thanks - that did the trick.
> : (BTW a major reason I like Kermit-95 better than other terminal
> : emulators and telnet apps is because I can hit Alt-Enter and get a
> : real text-mode full screen view. K95-GUI is likely to lose this
> : ability. Sigh - I guess I won't be upgrading.)
>
> We expect to issue version 2.00 in both GUI and Console form. You
> can make get GUI window any size you want, including the same size as
> the physical screen. Don't write it off before you try it.
I have tried it. The "CRT" emulator (Van Dyke Technologies) works
this way; full-screen mode draws a GUI interface over the entire
screen with no borders. Sorry, I don't like it - I prefer VGA text
mode.
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In article <e6bbd267.0109232223.379d85d@posting.google.com>,
Richard Krehbiel <rich@kastle.com> wrote:
: ...
: > : (BTW a major reason I like Kermit-95 better than other terminal
: > : emulators and telnet apps is because I can hit Alt-Enter and get a
: > : real text-mode full screen view. K95-GUI is likely to lose this
: > : ability. Sigh - I guess I won't be upgrading.)
: >
: > We expect to issue version 2.00 in both GUI and Console form. You
: > can make get GUI window any size you want, including the same size as
: > the physical screen. Don't write it off before you try it.
:
: I have tried it. The "CRT" emulator (Van Dyke Technologies) works
: this way; full-screen mode draws a GUI interface over the entire
: screen with no borders. Sorry, I don't like it - I prefer VGA text
: mode.
:
You will have your choice. One version of K95 will run a Console window
like now, so you can take it fullscreen VGA. The other version will run
in a GUI window. There are obviously going to be tradeoffs. The
Console environment is bug-ridden and severely restricted in what it is
allowed to to, as you can see by glancing through the K95 bug list:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95bugs.html
which is really more of a Microsoft bug list.
- Frank
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From: Frank da Cruz <fdc@columbia.edu>
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In article <87elowlli9.fsf@moon.mteege.de>,
Matthias Teege <9fans@cse.psu.edu> wrote:
: is it possible to use a Nextstation as a plan9 terminal?
:
You mean, like a Telnet client? Sure. The main issue is that Plan 9
uses UTF-8 character encoding but the NeXT terminal window (e.g.
Stuart) does not. But all is not lost. Use C-Kermit:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html
as your Telnet client and it will convert between UTF-8 and the local
NeXT character set if you tell it to. (The NeXT character set is like
MS Code Page 1252, but with its own unique encoding.)
You can also use C-Kermit to make serial connections to Plan 9, thru
a null-modem cable (tricky for NeXT with its two different kinds of
Din-8 connectors) or modem.
Of course C-Kermit need not run on NeXTSTEP -- it can run on practically
any UNIX-based OS that exists (or ever did, at least post-V7). Versions
are also available for Windows, VMS, etc. The Linux version would make
a better Plan 9 terminal, since UTF-8 Linux xterms are now becoming
available.
C-Kermit is also available for Plan 9, where it can be used to make
the opposite kind of connection: from Plan 9 outwards. In this case
it can convert between the remote character set (Latin-1, Latin-2,
NeXT, Japanese EUC, etc) and local UTF-8. Unfortunately the Plan 9
version only can make serial connections since nobody has ever
added networking support to it. (Anybody who'd like to do this,
please contact me -- now would be a good time, since version 8.0 is
soon to be released.)
- Frank
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On 20 Sep 2001 19:50:21 GMT, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey
Altman) wrote:
>In article <3baa42c5.773496294@netnews.worldnet.att.net>,
>ubw <ubw@nowhere.net> wrote:
>: I have downloaded the eval version of Kermit 95 and want to test it
>: under wyse60 emulation using SCO's mscreen utility. Mscreen is SCO's
>: utility to run 2+ virtual terminals from one tty device. By default
>: K95 does not seem to switch screens properly (display different pages
>: of screen memory). Does K95 not support this capability? Is there
>: some setting which needs to be changed to enable it?
>
>K95 does not support multiple memory pages. You can configure screen
>to perform its function without using multiple memory pages. You will
>need to active the SEND-DATA capability which is disabled by default
>due to its dangerous nature.
>
> SET TERMINAL SEND-DATA ON
>
Are you referring to the GNU screen utility by Juergen Weigert &
Michael Schroeder or the mscreen program included with SCO unix. If
you were referring to mscreen then any help in configuring it for
SEND-DATA would be appreciated.
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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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In article <3baf7968.336140119@netnews.worldnet.att.net>,
ubw <ubw@nowhere.net> wrote:
: On 20 Sep 2001 19:50:21 GMT, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey
: Altman) wrote:
:
: >In article <3baa42c5.773496294@netnews.worldnet.att.net>,
: >ubw <ubw@nowhere.net> wrote:
: >: I have downloaded the eval version of Kermit 95 and want to test it
: >: under wyse60 emulation using SCO's mscreen utility. Mscreen is SCO's
: >: utility to run 2+ virtual terminals from one tty device. By default
: >: K95 does not seem to switch screens properly (display different pages
: >: of screen memory). Does K95 not support this capability? Is there
: >: some setting which needs to be changed to enable it?
: >
: >K95 does not support multiple memory pages. You can configure screen
: >to perform its function without using multiple memory pages. You will
: >need to active the SEND-DATA capability which is disabled by default
: >due to its dangerous nature.
: >
: > SET TERMINAL SEND-DATA ON
: >
: Are you referring to the GNU screen utility by Juergen Weigert &
: Michael Schroeder or the mscreen program included with SCO unix. If
: you were referring to mscreen then any help in configuring it for
: SEND-DATA would be appreciated.
I was referring to screen. I'm not familiar with mscreen.
Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 8.0 Beta available
The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP
http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and
kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow.
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On 20 Sep 2001 15:58:38 GMT, Frederick Bruckman <fredb@immanent.net> wrote:
>In article <9o7ipr$b8b$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>,
> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
>> In article <9o75d0$bh7ug$2@ID-49635.news.dfncis.de>,
>> Thomas Mueller <tmueller@bluegrass.net> wrote:
>>: In comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc bball <billy_ball@home.org> wrote:
>>: > perhaps this has been discussed before, but why is C-Kermit not
>>: > available via netbsd.org? is this a decision by developers or
>>: > Columbia?
>>:
>>: I think this is a copyright issue. I believe Kermit is not included with
>>: Linux or the other BSDs, either.
>>:
>> Nothing prevents C-Kermit from being included with Linux, NetBSD, FreeBSD,
>> or OpenBSD. The copyright specifically allows it:
>>
>> ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/c-kermit/COPYING.TXT
>>
>> and indeed distributors of all of these free OS's are welcome and invited
>> to include it. C-Kermit is included in some Linux distributions; sometimes
>> in the base package, sometimes with the "power tools" or whatever.
>
>Not to cloud the issue with facts, but binary packages of kermit-7.0.96
>have been available for download on ftp.netbsd.org for nearly every
^^^^^^
>architecture NetBSD supports for over a year now. Just look, huh?
'nearly' doesn't include hpcmips... although rebuilding minicom provides a
viable client...
>
>Frederick
From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Sep 25 10:31:15 EDT 2001
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <slrn9qvu2s.1mr.billy_ball@green.home.org>,
bball <bball@green.home.org> wrote:
: On 20 Sep 2001 15:58:38 GMT, Frederick Bruckman <fredb@immanent.net> wrote:
: >In article <9o7ipr$b8b$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>,
: > fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
: >>: ...
: >> Nothing prevents C-Kermit from being included with Linux, NetBSD,
: >> FreeBSD, or OpenBSD. The copyright specifically allows it:
: >>
: >> ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/c-kermit/COPYING.TXT
: >>
: >> and indeed distributors of all of these free OS's are welcome and
: >> invited to include it. C-Kermit is included in some Linux
: >> distributions; sometimes in the base package, sometimes with the "power
: >> tools" or whatever.
: >
: >Not to cloud the issue with facts, but binary packages of kermit-7.0.96
: >have been available for download on ftp.netbsd.org for nearly every
: ^^^^^^
: >architecture NetBSD supports for over a year now. Just look, huh?
:
: 'nearly' doesn't include hpcmips... although rebuilding minicom provides a
: viable client...
:
Minicom and Kermit are not the same thing. Besides doing what minicom does,
Kermit transfers files, converts character sets, sends numeric and alpha
pages, makes Telnet, Rlogin, FTP, and HTTP connection, supports four
different IETF standard security methods, and includes a built-in
programming language for automation of any communication task.
As noted in the original announcement, C-Kermit 8.0 is in Beta test; one of
the purposes of the Beta test is for people to build it and try it out on
platforms that I don't have access to.
You should be able to build the NetBSD version on any hardware platform
by following these simple steps:
get ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/tar/cku200b03.tar.gz
gunzip cku200b03.tar.gz
tar xf cku200b03.tar
rm cku200b03.tar
make netbsd
I don't think there will be any problems, but if there are, of course,
you can report them to kermit-support@columbia.edu and they will be fixed.
Again, the C-Kermit test is here:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80.html
When C-Kermit 8.0 is released for real, I hope that people who have NetBSD
on non-Intel platforms will contribute binaries for the archive, and will
also assist in getting NetBSD ports made for the various architectures.
- Frank
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set tapi line <device> names the modem to be used.
For windows machines, what does this device name correspond to?
Currently, my best guess is the DriverDesc (with spaces replaced
by underscores) of any "modem class" services installed on the
machine. Does K95 use the registry to look this up, or a TAPI
function I can't seem to find?
Again, thanks.
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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: set tapi line <device>
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In article <9p0f690kkn@enews3.newsguy.com>,
Grinder <grinder@no.spam.maam.com> wrote:
: set tapi line <device> names the modem to be used.
:
: For windows machines, what does this device name correspond to?
: Currently, my best guess is the DriverDesc (with spaces replaced
: by underscores) of any "modem class" services installed on the
: machine. Does K95 use the registry to look this up, or a TAPI
: function I can't seem to find?
:
: Again, thanks.
:
:
:
Its a TAPI function.
Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 8.0 Beta available
The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP
http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and
kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow.
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Subject: Dial Failure: Error initializing modem
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Hi,
For a Windows 98 machine running K95, I'm getting "Dial Failure:
Error initializing modem" when a dial command is being issued.
The configuration, as I understand it, is correct, and it's
apparently finding the modem, though the dial immediately fails.
Using HyperTerminal, a connection can be made using that same
modem.
I also have a debug.log file that probably points to the
problem, but it's huge--so I didn't want to post it unsolicited.
Any ideas?
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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: Dial Failure: Error initializing modem
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In article <9p30bt01al3@enews3.newsguy.com>,
Grinder <grinder@no.spam.maam.com> wrote:
: Hi,
:
: For a Windows 98 machine running K95, I'm getting "Dial Failure:
: Error initializing modem" when a dial command is being issued.
:
: The configuration, as I understand it, is correct, and it's
: apparently finding the modem, though the dial immediately fails.
: Using HyperTerminal, a connection can be made using that same
: modem.
:
: I also have a debug.log file that probably points to the
: problem, but it's huge--so I didn't want to post it unsolicited.
:
: Any ideas?
:
:
:
Send the modem configuration and the output of SET DIAL DISPLAY ON
to kermit-support@columbia.edu
Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 8.0 Beta available
The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP
http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and
kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow.
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Dial Failure: Error initializing modem
Date: 29 Sep 2001 15:50:37 GMT
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In article <9p30bt01al3@enews3.newsguy.com>,
Grinder <grinder@no.spam.maam.com> wrote:
: For a Windows 98 machine running K95, I'm getting "Dial Failure:
: Error initializing modem" when a dial command is being issued.
:
: The configuration, as I understand it, is correct, and it's
: apparently finding the modem, though the dial immediately fails.
: Using HyperTerminal, a connection can be made using that same
: modem.
:
Windows has two ways of accessing modems. Sometimes one works,
sometimes the other. If you were using:
set modem type usrobotics (or other specific type)
set port com1 (or com2, etc)
try using:
set tapi line
Or vice versa. If that doesn't help then, as Jeff said, please send
details to kermit-support@columbia.edu.
Also note that the current version of Kermit 95 is 1.1.20, so if yours
is earlier, please patch up to the current level:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95patch.html
- Frank
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ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/scripts/ckermit/synchronize
doesn't seem very happy trying to synchronize between K95 and Unix.
I can go from K95 to Unix, but the rset don't work, and of course, there is
no login, from unix to K95.
I have a simple tree, only two layers, that I might modify from home, or
on the unix box. I want to update to the latest in either direction.
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- San Jose & Pope Valley (Napa County) CA.
From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Oct 1 10:09:59 EDT 2001
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <9p8ii4$2ap$1@samba.rahul.net>, <dold@23.usenet.us.com> wrote:
:
: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/scripts/ckermit/synchronize
: doesn't seem very happy trying to synchronize between K95 and Unix.
: I can go from K95 to Unix, but the rset don't work, and of course, there
: is no login, from unix to K95.
:
Right. The synchronize script was not designed to work in the to-Windows
direction since indeed there is no standard way to Telnet to Windows and log
in to it. You could use Windows IKSD on the Windows side and then give the
"--iksd" command-line option to to the synchronize script.
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95iksd.html
- Frank
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> set modem type usrobotics (or other specific type)
> set port com1 (or com2, etc)
I changed up to this style and it seems to allows me to
dial--thanks (you and Jeff A. both) for the suggestions.
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I have created a simple script for C-Kermit 7.0 and above that retrieves
mail from a POP3 server and stores it in a local mailbox file.
This script has been edited slightly by Frank da Cruz and placed in the
script library:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html
While somewhat specific to my own requirements, this script can be
easily adapted to other environments.
--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro@value.net> The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
From kth@srv.net Wed Oct 3 14:04:02 EDT 2001
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Still having problems with printing through Kermit Printer Port.
I have updated to kermit version 1.1.20, but the program still dies
with the spooler preforming an illegal operation.
The program that generated the output sends a printer on "<esc>[5i"
then a line of text, then a printer off "<esc>[4i" (I may have the
escape sequence reversed, I'm going from memory). It works for one
or two pages, than the spooler dies and locks up the kermit session.
Sometimes alt/x will return the kermit prompt, but still need to
reboot system to clear all the problems.
On one system it works fine, but on another it does this.
Any ideas?
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From: dold@84.usenet.us.com
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Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net> wrote:
: The program that generated the output sends a printer on "<esc>[5i"
: then a line of text, then a printer off "<esc>[4i" (I may have the
: escape sequence reversed, I'm going from memory). It works for one
: or two pages, than the spooler dies and locks up the kermit session.
: Sometimes alt/x will return the kermit prompt, but still need to
: reboot system to clear all the problems.
: On one system it works fine, but on another it does this.
I think this is a problem with too many open files. Each line may
be getting treated by the spooler as a separate file. The "broken"
system might already have more files open, or the "good" system may have
more open files allowed.
Is the spooling setup on both of the systems the same? Or does the "good"
one print directly to a smart network printer?
--
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Clarence A Dold - dold@email.rahul.net
- San Jose & Pope Valley (Napa County) CA.
From dold@84.usenet.us.com Wed Oct 3 14:04:11 EDT 2001
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Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net> wrote:
: The program that generated the output sends a printer on "<esc>[5i"
: then a line of text, then a printer off "<esc>[4i" (I may have the
...
: On one system it works fine, but on another it does this.
: Any ideas?
Is the "bad" one Windows ME?
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q269/0/30.ASP
This refers to "MS-DOS programs", but that might be a euphenism for
console-mode.
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Clarence A Dold - dold@email.rahul.net
- San Jose & Pope Valley (Napa County) CA.
From a_pyles@yahoo.com Wed Oct 3 14:31:03 EDT 2001
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From: a_pyles@yahoo.com (Andy Pyles)
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Hi,
I am writing a script to a serial line
and am trying to test for the following unique string:
^[[6;17Htestingtest
Currently I have :
minput 2 \27[6;17H
However this is not unique enough for me, because the text could be
any english character. I need to check something like this:
minput \27[6;17H[A-Z][a-z]{1-9}
which won't work. Is there some other way to accomplish the same
thing?
Thanks,
-Andy
From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Oct 3 14:31:11 EDT 2001
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <a695e0e6.0110031026.4147c4ac@posting.google.com>,
Andy Pyles <a_pyles@yahoo.com> wrote:
: I am writing a script to a serial line
: and am trying to test for the following unique string:
:
: ^[[6;17Htestingtest
:
: Currently I have :
: minput 2 \27[6;17H
:
: However this is not unique enough for me, because the text could be
: any english character. I need to check something like this:
:
: minput \27[6;17H[A-Z][a-z]{1-9}
: which won't work. Is there some other way to accomplish the same
: thing?
:
See:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit2.html#x7.1.3
- Frank
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Subject: Re: Need help with ancient PDP-11 Kermit
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I have an ancient DEC LSI-11 / PDP-11 computer here at SLAC. It has a kermit
program with no documentation. The program does not even have an option
to set the com port or baud rate.
I know this is a long shot - but does anyone have a suggestion for a source
of documentation for KERMIT on a machine of this type?
Thanks
Frank King
Engineering Physicist
SLAC
fkk@slac.stanford.edu
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <9pi8to$p0g$1@usenet.stanford.edu>,
<anon@leland.stanford.edu> wrote:
: I have an ancient DEC LSI-11 / PDP-11 computer here at SLAC. It has a kermit
: program with no documentation. The program does not even have an option
: to set the com port or baud rate.
:
: I know this is a long shot - but does anyone have a suggestion for a source
: of documentation for KERMIT on a machine of this type?
:
See:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/pdp11.html
- Frank
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From: fkk@leland.stanford.edu
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Thanks, an earlier web search turned up the Columbia link but I missed the PDP-11 section.
I'll check it out.
Frank
In <9pi9qh$aod$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
>In article <9pi8to$p0g$1@usenet.stanford.edu>,
> <anon@leland.stanford.edu> wrote:
>: I have an ancient DEC LSI-11 / PDP-11 computer here at SLAC. It has a kermit
>: program with no documentation. The program does not even have an option
>: to set the com port or baud rate.
>:
>: I know this is a long shot - but does anyone have a suggestion for a source
>: of documentation for KERMIT on a machine of this type?
>:
>See:
>
> http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/pdp11.html
>
>- Frank
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fkk@leland.stanford.edu wrote:
: I have an ancient DEC LSI-11 / PDP-11 computer here at SLAC. It has a kermit
: program with no documentation. The program does not even have an option
: to set the com port or baud rate.
Frank pointed you toward the kermit page.
I have encountered versions of kermit pre-installed on Unix machines that
are command line only. No interactive mode, but the options do all exist,
as noted in the full documentation.
I don't know if this applies to your PDP situation, or if you are going to
move to a newer (interactive?) version.
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- San Jose & Pope Valley (Napa County) CA.
From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Oct 5 10:37:37 EDT 2001
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <5e23bad3.0110050335.3c8e127@posting.google.com>,
antonio <antonio.napoleone@bedag.ch> wrote:
: We download datfiles for virusengines via ftp. Usually we are doing this
: automatically, but since a while we are having problems by getting several
: files in the same remotedirectory with the mget-command. In some
: directorys, downloading of those files works fine but in other not. Now i
: try to download file by file, but i'm not very experienced in doing this.
: What i do is getting the FILELIST from the remoteserver and figure out the
: filenames with help of the grep and awk commands. Now my list looks like
: this:
:
: AVH32DLL.DL_
: VIRSIG.DA_
: VIRINFO.DA_
: README.TX_
:
: Is it possible to connect to the ftp-host, get each filename from the
: list, download it and close the connection, after i dowloaded every
: file, or do i have to connect, get 1 file, close, and so on.
:
This would require a bit more flexibility than you'll find in the regular
FTP client. C-Kermit 8.0:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80.html
includes a new scriptable FTP client that will let you do this:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpclient.html
A scripting tutorial is here:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html
And an FTP-specific scripting tutorial is here:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpscripts.html
And complete documentation is here:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit3.html#x3
Here is a script that gets the list of filenames:
cd somelocaldirectory
ftp open foo.bar.com /user:myname /password:secret
if fail exit 1 Can't reach host
if not \v(ftp_loggedin) exit 1 FTP login failed
ftp cd blah/blah/somepath
if fail exit 1 Directory change failed
ftp get /namelist:mylist
if fail exit 1 Can't get list of filenames
ftp bye
Obviously we don't recommend putting passwords in scripts; better methods
are available. The method shown above was chosen for brevity. If you
are using anonymous ftp, the command would be:
ftp open foo.bar.com /anonymous
Now you have the list of filenames in the local file called 'mylist'.
At this point, you should consider what you want to do with it. One
strategy, as you suggest, is to open a new FTP session for each file.
This can be done as follows (still in Kermit):
fopen /read \%c myfile
if fail exit 1 Can't open file list
while not \f_eof(\%c) {
fread /line \%c filename
if fail break
ftp open foo.bar.com /user:myname /password:secret
if fail exit 1 Can't reach host
if not \v(ftp_loggedin) exit 1 FTP login failed
ftp cd blah/blah/somepath
ftp get \m(filename)
if fail exit 1 \m(filename): Download failed
ftp bye
}
This is a sort of brute-force attack, and I'm not sure it does what you
want anyway. What happens if a download fails on a particular file?
Here is a more elegant solution:
cd somelocaldirectory
delete *
ftp open foo.bar.com /user:myname /password:secret
if fail exit 1 Can't reach host
if not \v(ftp_loggedin) exit 1 FTP login failed
ftp cd blah/blah/somepath
if fail exit 1 Directory change failed
while true {
ftp get /update *
if success break
}
ftp bye
Here we clean out any old copies of the files, make the FTP connection to
the server, cd to the desired server directory, and ask it to send us all
the files in update mode. This means: if I already have a current copy of
a file, don't bother to send it, but if I don't, then please do send it.
If this succeeds, we're done. If it fails, we try again, automatically
skipping the files that were sent previously, and so on until all the files
have been sent.
We can make this script both more robust and more efficient:
cd somelocaldirectory
delete *
while true {
ftp open foo.bar.com /user:myname /password:secret
if fail exit 1 Can't reach host
if not \v(ftp_loggedin) exit 1 FTP login failed
ftp cd blah/blah/somepath
if fail exit 1 Directory change failed
while true {
ftp get /recover /update *
if success goto done
if not \v(ftp_connected) break
}
ftp bye
}
done:
This allows for the case when the connection is lost. When this happens,
the script automatically goes back and reestablishes the connection and
restarts the download; if the connection is not lost, however, it does not
needlessly break the connection and reestablish it. In case a long file was
interrupted in the middle, the /RECOVER option makes the download resume
from the point of failure.
- Frank
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havent tried it, but from the ftp man page:
o If a - (hyphen) is specified for the parameter, standard input (stdin) is
used for read operations and standard output (stdout) is used for write
operations.
as long as you can get your files into stdin, you should be able to do
it that way...
In comp.unix.aix Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
> In article <5e23bad3.0110050335.3c8e127@posting.google.com>,
> antonio <antonio.napoleone@bedag.ch> wrote:
> : We download datfiles for virusengines via ftp. Usually we are doing this
> : automatically, but since a while we are having problems by getting several
> : files in the same remotedirectory with the mget-command. In some
> : directorys, downloading of those files works fine but in other not. Now i
> : try to download file by file, but i'm not very experienced in doing this.
> : What i do is getting the FILELIST from the remoteserver and figure out the
> : filenames with help of the grep and awk commands. Now my list looks like
> : this:
> :
> : AVH32DLL.DL_
> : VIRSIG.DA_
> : VIRINFO.DA_
> : README.TX_
> :
> : Is it possible to connect to the ftp-host, get each filename from the
> : list, download it and close the connection, after i dowloaded every
> : file, or do i have to connect, get 1 file, close, and so on.
> :
> This would require a bit more flexibility than you'll find in the regular
> FTP client. C-Kermit 8.0:
> http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80.html
> includes a new scriptable FTP client that will let you do this:
> http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpclient.html
> A scripting tutorial is here:
> http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html
> And an FTP-specific scripting tutorial is here:
> http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpscripts.html
> And complete documentation is here:
> http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit3.html#x3
> Here is a script that gets the list of filenames:
> cd somelocaldirectory
> ftp open foo.bar.com /user:myname /password:secret
> if fail exit 1 Can't reach host
> if not \v(ftp_loggedin) exit 1 FTP login failed
> ftp cd blah/blah/somepath
> if fail exit 1 Directory change failed
> ftp get /namelist:mylist
> if fail exit 1 Can't get list of filenames
> ftp bye
> Obviously we don't recommend putting passwords in scripts; better methods
> are available. The method shown above was chosen for brevity. If you
> are using anonymous ftp, the command would be:
> ftp open foo.bar.com /anonymous
> Now you have the list of filenames in the local file called 'mylist'.
> At this point, you should consider what you want to do with it. One
> strategy, as you suggest, is to open a new FTP session for each file.
> This can be done as follows (still in Kermit):
> fopen /read \%c myfile
> if fail exit 1 Can't open file list
> while not \f_eof(\%c) {
> fread /line \%c filename
> if fail break
> ftp open foo.bar.com /user:myname /password:secret
> if fail exit 1 Can't reach host
> if not \v(ftp_loggedin) exit 1 FTP login failed
> ftp cd blah/blah/somepath
> ftp get \m(filename)
> if fail exit 1 \m(filename): Download failed
> ftp bye
> }
> This is a sort of brute-force attack, and I'm not sure it does what you
> want anyway. What happens if a download fails on a particular file?
> Here is a more elegant solution:
> cd somelocaldirectory
> delete *
> ftp open foo.bar.com /user:myname /password:secret
> if fail exit 1 Can't reach host
> if not \v(ftp_loggedin) exit 1 FTP login failed
> ftp cd blah/blah/somepath
> if fail exit 1 Directory change failed
> while true {
> ftp get /update *
> if success break
> }
> ftp bye
> Here we clean out any old copies of the files, make the FTP connection to
> the server, cd to the desired server directory, and ask it to send us all
> the files in update mode. This means: if I already have a current copy of
> a file, don't bother to send it, but if I don't, then please do send it.
> If this succeeds, we're done. If it fails, we try again, automatically
> skipping the files that were sent previously, and so on until all the files
> have been sent.
> We can make this script both more robust and more efficient:
> cd somelocaldirectory
> delete *
> while true {
> ftp open foo.bar.com /user:myname /password:secret
> if fail exit 1 Can't reach host
> if not \v(ftp_loggedin) exit 1 FTP login failed
> ftp cd blah/blah/somepath
> if fail exit 1 Directory change failed
> while true {
> ftp get /recover /update *
> if success goto done
> if not \v(ftp_connected) break
> }
> ftp bye
> }
> done:
>
> This allows for the case when the connection is lost. When this happens,
> the script automatically goes back and reestablishes the connection and
> restarts the download; if the connection is not lost, however, it does not
> needlessly break the connection and reestablish it. In case a long file was
> interrupted in the middle, the /RECOVER option makes the download resume
> from the point of failure.
> - Frank
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In article <9pl0ah$so3$1@newsmonger.rutgers.edu>,
sp2 admin <bsf@er6.rutgers.edu> wrote:
:
: havent tried it, but from the ftp man page:
: o If a - (hyphen) is specified for the parameter, standard input (stdin) is
: used for read operations and standard output (stdout) is used for write
: operations.
:
: as long as you can get your files into stdin, you should be able to do
: it that way...
:
Stuffing stdin into FTP's command processor is not recommended. There is
no error-checking, no feedback, etc, not to mention that it often simply
just does not work. Please read the beginning of:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpscripts.html
for elaboration about why, if you want to automate FTP sessions, the
scripting needs to be integrated with the FTP client (Item 1). Then read
Item 2 about the .netrc file. Then read Item 3 about 'expect', etc.
- Frank
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On 6 Oct 2001, Frank da Cruz wrote:
> ...
> In terminal sessions, it can convert between the remote character set
> (e.g. Latin-1, CP1252, whatever) and local UTF-8. Ditto for file transfer
> with either FTP or Kermit protocol. Just tell it:
>
> set file character-set utf8 ; Name of local character set
> set terminal character-set xxx ; Name of remote character set
>
> For more on Kermit and Unicode, see:
>
> http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/unicode.html
It's unclear from the kermit site whether a graphical version of Kermit is
available. The screen shots show one, but my impression is that it has not
been released. And it would be required in order to actually support
Unicode. Is this true?
Anzio, on the other hand, has Unicode UTF-8 support NOW, including
sophisticated handling of combining diacritics and automatic font coverage
detection and switching. See
http://www.anzio.com
Regards,
....Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc.
personal e-mail: ras@anzio.com
company e-mail: rsi@anzio.com
voice: (US) 503-624-0360 (9:00-6:00 Pacific Time)
fax: (US) 503-624-0760
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In article <Pine.LNX.4.33.0110080853210.10168-100000@nimbus.anzio.com>,
Bob Rasmussen <ras@anzio.com> wrote:
: On 6 Oct 2001, Frank da Cruz wrote:
: > ...
: > In terminal sessions, it can convert between the remote character set
: > (e.g. Latin-1, CP1252, whatever) and local UTF-8. Ditto for file transfer
: > with either FTP or Kermit protocol. Just tell it:
: >
: > set file character-set utf8 ; Name of local character set
: > set terminal character-set xxx ; Name of remote character set
: >
: > For more on Kermit and Unicode, see:
: >
: > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/unicode.html
:
: It's unclear from the kermit site whether a graphical version of Kermit is
: available. The screen shots show one, but my impression is that it has not
: been released. And it would be required in order to actually support
: Unicode. Is this true?
:
In a way, yes. In another way, no. I assume we're talking about Windows
here, not Unix, right?
A graphical (i.e. GUI window rather than 32-bit Console window) version is
due shortly:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95next.html
The current Console version, http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html :
. Fully supports UTF-8 in Windows NT, 2000, and XP, within the
limitations of your font (e.g. Lucida Console, Courier New, etc).
. Supports UTF-8 within the limitations of your console code page
in Windows 95, 98, and ME.
The GUI version will fully support UTF-8, within the limitations of the
chosen font, on Windows 95, 98, ME, NT, 2000, and XP.
By "fully support UTF-8", I mean, it knows how to convert between any pair
of the following character sets, one used by Windows and the other used on
the remote computer:
apl2-ibm cp819 dg-specialgraphcs latin4-iso
apl-2741 cp850 dg-wordprocessing latin5-iso
apl-dyadic cp852 dutch latin6-iso
apl-iso cp855 elot927-greek latin9-iso
apl-plus-2000 cp857 elot928-greek macintosh-latin
arabic-iso cp858 finnish mazovia-pc
ascii cp862-hebrew french next-multinational
british cp864 german norwegian
canadian-french cp866 greek-iso portuguese
bulgaria-pc cp869 hebrew-7 qnx-console
cp10000 cp912 hebrew-iso short-koi
cp1051 cp913 hp-line-drawing sni-blanks
cp1089 cp914 hp-math/technical sni-brackets
cp1250 cp915 hp-roman8 sni-euro
cp1251 cp916 hungarian sni-facet
cp1252 cp920 italian sni-ibm
cp1253 cp923 japanese-roman spanish
cp1254 cyrillic-iso katakana swedish
cp1255 danish koi8 swiss
cp1256 dec-multinational koi8r transparent
cp1257 dec-special koi8u utf8
cp1258 dec-technical latin1-iso
cp437 dg-international latin2-iso
cp813 dg-linedrawing latin3-iso
In terms of today's Console version of Kermit 95, this means that if you have
Windows NT or 2000 and can select a fixed-pitch Unicode font for your command
window, and if the remote computer uses any of the listed character sets,
Kermit can (a) convert incoming characters to Unicode for display; and (b)
convert keystrokes to the remote character-set for transmission. Obviously
this depends to a large extent on the Windows keyboard driver, but Kermit
itself provides some assistance in the case of Latin-1, Latin-2, Cryillic, and
Hebrew repertoires, in the form of special keyboard modes.
By the same token, if the remote host uses UTF-8 and you have Windows 9x
or ME, K95 can convert between remote UTF-8 and the local Console code page.
Obviously many other combinations are possible, including the "trivial" one
of UTF-8 on the host and Unicode on Windows.
In UNIX, C-Kermit:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html
does approximately the same conversions, but the emulation is handled by
the console driver or Xterm window:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckfaq.html#term
- Frank
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Hi,
I'm doing a small project that involved connecting a set of
DOS machines to a linux machine as terminals. I'm about to
buy the DOS Kermit book, but it occurred to me to ask first
if a new version of the book (or DOS Kermit, for that metter)
was planned in light of the new 8.0 version now in beta.
Should I buy the DOS book now, or is a new one going to come
out shortly ?
Another issue is, that the software on the linux machine uses
the F-keys as various hotkeys, so I have to figure out how to
pass them through, I presume by using the correct terminal
type. Is this addressed in the book, or should I post a more
detailed question here ?
Thanks in advance.
--Rob
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In article <m17ku4zs9i.fsf@rgristroph-austin.ath.cx>,
Rob Ristroph <rgristroph@yahoo.com> wrote:
: I'm doing a small project that involved connecting a set of
: DOS machines to a linux machine as terminals. I'm about to
: buy the DOS Kermit book, but it occurred to me to ask first
: if a new version of the book (or DOS Kermit, for that metter)
: was planned in light of the new 8.0 version now in beta.
:
: Should I buy the DOS book now, or is a new one going to come
: out shortly ?
:
What you see is what you get; there are no plans for a new edition.
The MS-DOS Kermit software information is here:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mskermit.html
This includes update notes for the releases that came out after the second
editio of the book.
: Another issue is, that the software on the linux machine uses
: the F-keys as various hotkeys, so I have to figure out how to
: pass them through, I presume by using the correct terminal
: type. Is this addressed in the book, or should I post a more
: detailed question here ?
:
You'll have to use a terminal emulation that both MS-DOS Kermit and
Linux support, such as vt220 or vt320, and you'll probably also need to
execute a key-mapping command file such as vt300.ini, which can be found
on the Kermit ftp site as:
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/a/msivt3.ini
to assign the appropriate DEC terminal keys to the desired PC keys, which
in turn makes them send the escape sequences that the DEC keys would send,
which in turn means your Linux application has to be using curses (or
ncurses) to read keystrokes.
- Frank
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Hello, I am trying to create a basic kermit script using kermit in
server mode. I am able to setup the server using a simple script
which will just sit and listen for incoming phone calls via a modem.
What I would like to do now is log the entire session to a logfile and
perform a little file managment after the session ends such as
removing the files that had been transferred. All this while
remaining in server mode so it can accept more incoming connections.
Can anyone point me to some references for scripting Kermit in server
mode? Most of the resources I have been able to find are in regard to
scripting kermit as a client rather than a server. Thanks.
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In article <336f652d.0110151140.59de71dd@posting.google.com>,
Shifeux <shifeux@hotmail.com> wrote:
: Hello, I am trying to create a basic kermit script using kermit in
: server mode. I am able to setup the server using a simple script
: which will just sit and listen for incoming phone calls via a modem.
: What I would like to do now is log the entire session to a logfile...
:
What do you mean by "session"? You can log all the server's actions
in a transaction log. Just add:
LOG TRANSACTIONS filename
to the script before starting the server, specifying the desired file
for the log.
: ... and
: perform a little file managment after the session ends such as
: removing the files that had been transferred. All this while
: remaining in server mode so it can accept more incoming connections.
:
Kermit can't do two things at the same time. If it's in server mode,
all actions are initiated by the client. If it's in command mode, it
can execute commands itself.
: Can anyone point me to some references for scripting Kermit in server
: mode? Most of the resources I have been able to find are in regard to
: scripting kermit as a client rather than a server. Thanks.
:
There are probably better ways to do what you want. If you want to delete
each file from the source after, and only if, it has been successfully
transferred, there is a /DELETE switch on the client SEND and GET commands
for this. For tutorials on "atomic file movement", see:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/case10.html
and (when using FTP rather than Kermit protocol):
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpscripts.html
- Frank
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Thanks for info.
> What do you mean by "session"? You can log all the server's actions
> in a transaction log. Just add:
>
> LOG TRANSACTIONS filename
>
> to the script before starting the server, specifying the desired file
> for the log.
I was calling this a session log. This works great.
> There are probably better ways to do what you want. If you want to delete
> each file from the source after, and only if, it has been successfully
> transferred, there is a /DELETE switch on the client SEND and GET commands
> for this. For tutorials on "atomic file movement", see:
I was trying minimize the work for the client side, trying to make it
as simple as possible for the client, but you are correct this will be
just fine. I appreciate the help. I see kermit 8 has support for an
ssh connection, does in by chance also support a sFTP session?
Thanks again.
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In article <336f652d.0110160550.606670bc@posting.google.com>,
Shifeux <shifeux@hotmail.com> wrote:
: Thanks for info.
:
: > What do you mean by "session"? You can log all the server's actions
: > in a transaction log. Just add:
: >
: > LOG TRANSACTIONS filename
: >
: > to the script before starting the server, specifying the desired file
: > for the log.
:
: I was calling this a session log. This works great.
:
: > There are probably better ways to do what you want. If you want to delete
: > each file from the source after, and only if, it has been successfully
: > transferred, there is a /DELETE switch on the client SEND and GET commands
: > for this. For tutorials on "atomic file movement", see:
:
: I was trying minimize the work for the client side, trying to make it
: as simple as possible for the client, but you are correct this will be
: just fine. I appreciate the help. I see kermit 8 has support for an
: ssh connection, does in by chance also support a sFTP session?
:
No, but it does support FTP, and if you want FTP + security, you have your
choice of the following IETF-approved security methods:
Kerberos IV
Kerberos V
SSL/TLS
Stanford Secure Remote Password (SRP)
Obviously, these require a server that uses one or more of the same
security methods.
- Frank
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Dumb question about man pages
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Does anybody know a simple, clean way to automatically convert
an HTML 1.0 document to nroff suitable for use as a Unix man page?
Or of a way to produce a UNIX man page and an HTML document from
common (plain-text) source? (We'd like to produce the C-Kermit 8.0
man page as a Web page, with the ability to "dump" it in real
man-page format.) Thanks!
- Frank
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>Or of a way to produce a UNIX man page and an HTML document from
>common (plain-text) source?
Perl (www.perl.com is a good starting place) uses a format it calls POD
(plain old documentation) and has converters from POD to hmtl, man pages,
and many other formats (I personally hate POD, but some people love it).
Speaking of perl, if you really want to provide a useful kermit extension,
provide an add-on perl XS module for talking kermit, or embed perl in kermit
as an alternative scripting language. (Not that I believe it will happen,
but you can always ask :-).
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <ur8s17s7a.fsf@worldnet.att.net>,
Thomas A. Horsley <Tom.Horsley@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
: >Or of a way to produce a UNIX man page and an HTML document from
: >common (plain-text) source?
:
: Perl (www.perl.com is a good starting place) uses a format it calls POD
: (plain old documentation) and has converters from POD to hmtl, man pages,
: and many other formats (I personally hate POD, but some people love it).
:
I was hoping for something simpler like maybe a secret option in Lynx to
dump a web page as nroff. Believe it or not I haven't had time to deal much
with Perl yet... Btw another option that I know of already, but is also not
exactly clean or simple, is Scribe (who remembers Scribe? -- it was kind of
a precursor to TeX), in which Scribe source can be output as PostScript,
various other typesetter formats, plain ASCII, nroff, and HTML. And (since
you mentioned it) POD format, but not the one you're thinking of. Scribe's
POD stands for Prince Of Darkness, perfect for the Diablo daisy-wheel
printer on which it is printed :-)
: Speaking of perl, if you really want to provide a useful kermit extension,
: provide an add-on perl XS module for talking kermit, or embed perl in kermit
: as an alternative scripting language. (Not that I believe it will happen,
: but you can always ask :-).
:
Actually I think Kermit is pretty useful the way it is. What could you do
with a Perl extension to Kermit that you can't do already without one?
Of course I have nothing against Perl, but (a) the to-do list for Kermit
stretches on into infinity; (b) I hate it when people say "why did those
Kermit nuts invent a whole new whacky scripting language instead of using
Perl?" (or Python, etc, name your favorite one) because, ahem, Kermit came
first! and (c) without actually looking into it to make sure, I suspect that
Kermit is *still* more portable than Perl. The same things (and more) can
be said of Expect and the many others that people suggest as alternatives to
the venerable Kermit language :-)
Anyway, it's just a man page -- a one-shot deal, and probably just as easy
to do in EMACS by hand (and macro) than any other way.
- Frank
P.S. A good way to get stuff added to Kermit is to write the code yourself
and send it in, like everybody did in the old days.
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>>>>> "Frank" == Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> writes:
Frank>
Frank> Does anybody know a simple, clean way to automatically convert
Frank> an HTML 1.0 document to nroff suitable for use as a Unix man
Frank> page? Or of a way to produce a UNIX man page and an HTML
Frank> document from common (plain-text) source? (We'd like to
Frank> produce the C-Kermit 8.0 man page as a Web page, with the
Frank> ability to "dump" it in real man-page format.) Thanks!
Frank>
Frank> - Frank
Frank,
I don't know how much of a one-shot deal this is or how much
overhead you are willing to take for ultimate flexibility, but
many projects out there contain a documentation directory in
which a single make command will produce man, html, ps,
texinfo, etc.
The one I most recently looked at was zsh. It's documentation
was in a simple text format -- mostly just the text of the
document, with a few simple formating commands -- and it
produced all the outputs I mention above. The file names had
the extention .yo, I don't know if that is some special
language or not.
You could download the zsh source from www.zsh.org, and simply
copy their Makefiles from their Doc directory and modify as
necessary.
--Rob
P.S. I received my new copy of your book "Using C-Kermit
Communication Software" as well as the "Using MS-DOS Kermit" book
today. They look great, I think it is worth the money -- keep up the
good work.
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I need to connect to approximately 360 voice mail servers (running
UNIX System V/386 Release 3.0 80486) and transfer one small file (500
bytes) from each machine back to an AIX box for processing. I am
using an external NEC 9635 E modem to dial each of these servers. The
modem type I am using is "generic-high-speed".
The versions of C-Kermit being used are as follows:
C-Kermit 7.0.196, 1 Jan 2000, for IBM AIX 4.3
C-Kermit, 4C(058) 19 Mar 86, Unisys PulsePoint Communications
I am running into a few problems trying to get this to work.
1) While trying to transfer a file, I am getting timeout errors (e.g.
Last Error: Timeout 13 sec) on some boxes. This occurs even when I
attempt to manually login and transfer the files (with Kermit of
course).
2) On other boxes, this happens:
kermit -s SLBHCAXF.4AD
, Sz* @-#Y1~^
?Read file not open
(Then the script exits)
I can manually login (using Kermit) and issue the same command and the
file will transfer okay.
3) Finally, how do I force \ffiles to work on the remote system. I
need to be able to read the file names on the remote system but,
\ffiles is reading the file names on the local machine.
Thanks for your assistance.
P.S. This is my first Kermit project. I have purchased "Using
C-Kermit" to get me started.
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In article <23521c90.0110180757.535238d3@posting.google.com>,
Juan Sutton <jcsutton@usa.com> wrote:
: I need to connect to approximately 360 voice mail servers (running
: UNIX System V/386 Release 3.0 80486) and transfer one small file (500
: bytes) from each machine back to an AIX box for processing. I am
: using an external NEC 9635 E modem to dial each of these servers. The
: modem type I am using is "generic-high-speed".
:
: The versions of C-Kermit being used are as follows:
:
: C-Kermit 7.0.196, 1 Jan 2000, for IBM AIX 4.3
:
This is current and supported, but is soon to be replaced by version 8.0
(see below).
: C-Kermit, 4C(058) 19 Mar 86, Unisys PulsePoint Communications
:
This is FIFTEEN AND A HALF YEARS OLD, hacked by somebody other than us
without telling us about it, and therefore obviously not supported.
: I am running into a few problems trying to get this to work.
:
: 1) While trying to transfer a file, I am getting timeout errors (e.g.
: Last Error: Timeout 13 sec) on some boxes. This occurs even when I
: attempt to manually login and transfer the files (with Kermit of
: course).
:
You can adjust timeouts, retry limits, and so forth to be more tolerant
of bad connections. See Chapter 10.
: 2) On other boxes, this happens:
: kermit -s SLBHCAXF.4AD
: , Sz* @-#Y1~^
: ?Read file not open
: (Then the script exits)
:
: I can manually login (using Kermit) and issue the same command and the
: file will transfer okay.
:
I'd have to see the script.
: 3) Finally, how do I force \ffiles to work on the remote system.
: I need to be able to read the file names on the remote system but,
: \ffiles is reading the file names on the local machine.
:
You would have to put C-Kermit 7.0 or later on it, put it into server
mode, and then use REMOTE QUERY FILES and then REMOTE QUERY NEXTFILE in
a loop on the client (AIX) machine to get the list.
Let's work on getting a modern Kermit version installed on the SVR3
systems. Your query comes at a good time, since we are just getting
ready to release C-Kermit 8.0 and have a small time window to make any
changes necessary to get it running on those systems:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80.html
Alternatively, you could install G-Kermit on them:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/gkermit.html
since they do not have to call out.
Once you get a modern version of Kermit working on the voicemail servers,
it should not be a big deal to install it on all of them, since you are
calling them up with Kermit anyway. For this reason, you might want to
start with G-Kermit because it so small. Follow the directions on the
Web page for downloading and building it, and use "make sysv".
On the other hand if you want your AIX Kermit script to be able to query
Kermit on the voicemail servers, you'll need to put C-Kermit on them.
Download the source archive and try "make sys5r3". This hasn't been tried
for a quite a few years so there will probably be errors, in which case
just send them to me and we'll get it working.
: P.S. This is my first Kermit project. I have purchased "Using
: C-Kermit" to get me started.
:
It's always nice to win converts :-) If you have more questions or
need help, just ask. If you want to take it offline, send e-mail to
kermit-support@columbia.edu.
- Frank
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>Actually I think Kermit is pretty useful the way it is. What could you do
>with a Perl extension to Kermit that you can't do already without one?
That's simple: Use a scripting language I already know instead of having
to learn yet another one :-).
Seriously, there is a possible point for long term development of the windows
kermit (don't let it hold up the native gui release though if that's ever
gonna happen one of these days :-). MS has defined various and sundry OLE
interfaces (which they probably now call Active-X interfaces) which might be
described as "meta" scripting interfaces. Programs which conform to them can
be scripted by any of the windows scripting language which also conform to
the other side of them. So if kermit were to make itself a compatible
scripting host, then folks who know visual basic could script it with that,
folks who know perl could script with that, python, C#, etc.
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From robertr@og1.olagrande.net Fri Oct 19 12:56:31 EDT 2001
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From: "Robert J. Rodriguez" <robertr@og1.olagrande.net>
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: C-Kermit version 7.0 or 8.0 beta on BEOS 5
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Has anyone compiled C-Kermit version 7.0 or the new 8.0 beta on
BeOS version 5.0 with a binary that can be FTPed from the net?
I'm using BeOS 5.0 Personal Edition, which has no room for the
developer tools in the 512meg file space. I found an old
binary for Ckermit at the columbia site for version 4.5, but
it doesn't recognize the modem device; it's now at
/dev/ports/seria1 instead of /dev/tt, and the old
binary doesn't support Telnet sessions.
Bob Rodriguez
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: C-Kermit version 7.0 or 8.0 beta on BEOS 5
Date: 19 Oct 2001 16:57:05 GMT
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In article <9qpk6r$mvt$1@og1.olagrande.net>,
Robert J. Rodriguez <robertr@og1.olagrande.net> wrote:
: Has anyone compiled C-Kermit version 7.0 or the new 8.0 beta on
: BeOS version 5.0 with a binary that can be FTPed from the net?
: I'm using BeOS 5.0 Personal Edition, which has no room for the
: developer tools in the 512meg file space. I found an old
: binary for Ckermit at the columbia site for version 4.5, but
: it doesn't recognize the modem device; it's now at
: /dev/ports/seria1 instead of /dev/tt, and the old
: binary doesn't support Telnet sessions.
:
Long question, short answer: no. BeOS is an odd duck, similar
to Mac OS -- nobody has the developer tools, and it keeps changing
out from under you anyway, so as soon as you have something working
it breaks, and meanwhile, vital pieces remain missing, like select()
and other functions needed to implement TCP/IP connections. I haven't
yet found anybody who disagrees with that assessment enough to
prove me wrong.
- Frank
From el@lisse.NA Fri Oct 19 14:50:09 EDT 2001
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From: Eberhard W Lisse <el@lisse.NA>
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Subject: Re: Dumb question about man pages
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 20:36:41 +0200
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<posted & mailed>
Frank,
SGML is your friend :-)-O
On Thu 18 Oct 01 01:00 Frank da Cruz wrote:
>
> Does anybody know a simple, clean way to automatically convert
> an HTML 1.0 document to nroff suitable for use as a Unix man page?
> Or of a way to produce a UNIX man page and an HTML document from
> common (plain-text) source? (We'd like to produce the C-Kermit 8.0
> man page as a Web page, with the ability to "dump" it in real
> man-page format.) Thanks!
>
> - Frank
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From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Oct 19 14:54:52 EDT 2001
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <1400628.adu78ljVUC@ac.lisse.na>,
Eberhard W Lisse <el@lisse.NA> wrote:
: SGML is your friend :-)-O
: ^
Is that a stethoscope?
Well I didn't run across anything perfect (i.e. quick, easy, and brainless)
so since html can always be converted to plain text, the manpage might as
well be done in html as in plain text in the first place. Then if an
html-to-manpage converter comes to light in time, I'll use it, otherwise
it's not that hard to convert plain text to nroff by hand, even if it has
to be done for each C-Kermit release.
- Frank
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fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
> In article <1400628.adu78ljVUC@ac.lisse.na>,
> Eberhard W Lisse <el@lisse.NA> wrote:
> : SGML is your friend :-)-O
> : ^
> Is that a stethoscope?
>
> Well I didn't run across anything perfect (i.e. quick, easy, and brainless)
> so since html can always be converted to plain text, the manpage might as
> well be done in html as in plain text in the first place. Then if an
> html-to-manpage converter comes to light in time, I'll use it, otherwise
> it's not that hard to convert plain text to nroff by hand, even if it has
> to be done for each C-Kermit release.
>
> - Frank
You could always write the conversion script in Kermit! ;-)
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In article <xqlg08fcqud.fsf@cig.mot.com>,
Francis R Bridge {BRIDGE1} <bridge@cig.mot.com> wrote:
:
: You could always write the [html-to-nroff] conversion script in Kermit! ;-)
:
Don't think it couldn't be done! But we need to get C-Kermit 8.0 released
quickly without any detours. I thought there must have been an html-to-nroff
converter out there somewhere that I hadn't run across. I did a search and
found some likely candidates, but none of the links can be resolved this
week due to Internet meltdown. It's no big deal.
- Frank
From era@eracc.hypermart.net Sun Oct 21 14:05:58 EDT 2001
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On Sat, 20 Oct 2001 22:53:29, Gary Quiring
<gquiring@msn.com> wrote:
> I need delete permissions to the directory. The users .profile
> does not get them near the shell prompt. I need the FTP for users
> that work on data exported from the database that bring the data
> into Excel and them upload them via FTP to their home directory
> which has *other* important files in there that they are deleting
> by mistake via FTP.
>
> I did not get into the whole details but I do wish to restrict
> renames and overwrites also, but started with deletes.
>
> Gary
Have you looked at the Internet Kermit Service daemon (IKSD) from
Columbia U.? Your client systems would have to have a copy of kermit
for their use (I'm guessing WinDO$ so Kermit 95) and you'd need the
latest release of c-kermit on your unix box. I know with kermit I can
control overwrites and deletes from the desktop end. I'm not too
clear on whether or not it can be controlled from the server end
though. Have a look at:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cuiksd.html
I posted a copy of this message in comp.protocols.kermit.misc where
the c-kermit / Kermit 95 developers hang out. You can check there to
peruse their replies and ideas about your problem.
Gene <gene@eracc.hypermart.net>
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From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun Oct 21 14:06:01 EDT 2001
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <gWtomC2dEjRt-pn2-rNNbmy9jcuiR@localhost>,
ERA <era@eracc.hypermart.net> wrote:
: On Sat, 20 Oct 2001 22:53:29, Gary Quiring <gquiring@msn.com> wrote:
: > I need delete permissions to the directory. ...
:
: Have you looked at the Internet Kermit Service daemon (IKSD) from
: Columbia U.? Your client systems would have to have a copy of kermit
: for their use (I'm guessing WinDO$ so Kermit 95) and you'd need the
: latest release of c-kermit on your unix box. I know with kermit I can
: control overwrites and deletes from the desktop end. I'm not too
: clear on whether or not it can be controlled from the server end
: though. Have a look at:
:
: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cuiksd.html
:
: I posted a copy of this message in comp.protocols.kermit.misc where
: the c-kermit / Kermit 95 developers hang out. You can check there to
: peruse their replies and ideas about your problem.
:
The server end, including buiding, setup, management, logging, security,
and general configuration, is described here:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/iksd.html
See in particular Section 4.4. You can tell the server to DISABLE DELETE
if you don't want to set clients delete files. However, this sometimes
backfires on you if you DO want to let them upload files, because what
happens when they upload a file that has the same name as an existing file?
If the existing file can't be deleted or renamed (e.g. to back it up),
then the only option is to rename the new file, which can be a bit
counterintuitive.
- Frank
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In article <GLJ80E.AFF@wjv.com>, Bill Vermillion <bv@wjv.com> wrote:
: In article <3BD1CFD8.A0F55F87@skynet.be>, atle <trollet@skynet.be> wrote:
: >Bill Vermillion wrote:
: >I still use a model 3000 keyboard.
:
: Had one until a cat peed on it. I now have some old IBM units -
: the kind that are so heavy you can take them into battle. Great feel.
:
I agree -- the late lamented IBM 101 keyboard was absolutely the best.
Except the Ctrl and Esc keys are in the wrong place. Of course, each OS
and/or app and/or environment (e.g. X) has (or doesn't) its own unique way
of letting you remap the keys, but this gets old after 10-15 years, and
especially in my case, where I have a PC with hard-disk tray where I can
boot about 30 different OS's. So begins the hunt for the perfect keyboard.
I've tried the following:
. The "Happy Hacking" keyboard. It's not IBM-like at all. The layout
is totally goofy, the touch is mooshy, etc. But Ctrl is in the right
place, and it's very compact (like the original Mac keyboard). I've
only looked at the original model; now they have others. Oh yeah and
I think it has a (physical) switch for selected whether Backspace
sends BS or DEL.
http://www.pfuca.com/products/hhkb/hhkbindex.html
. The Avant keyboard is terrific -- hefty, solid, just like IBM, great
touch, maybe even better than IBM if that is possible, and
programmable so you can map the keys IN THE KEYBOARD ITSELF without
the OS knowing a thing about it. But it has a fatal flaw for touch-
typists: they changed the Enter key to be L-shaped, and moved the |\
key away someplace where you can never find it.
http://www.cvtinc.com/kybdfeatures.htm
. The Unicomp Customizer "Linux 2" model. Not programmable, but has
Ctrl and Caps Lock swapped, as well as Esc and ~/grave. That's about
as good as you can get since there is no spot to put ~/grave on the
main keypad without sacrificing something else. Heft, touch, etc,
are also very IBM like (note, they don't list the Linux 2 model; you
have to ask for it). They also have programmable models but I
haven't looked at them.
http://www.pckeyboard.com
Obviously all this is very much a matter of taste.
: Just for kicks - here are a couple of lines from the code. It's on
: this machine as I was archiving from old floppies onto CD and just
: haven't cleaned up that directory.
:
: /* version to handle IBM <xon> & half duplex */
: /*
: * K e r m i t File Transfer Utility
: *
: * UNIX Kermit, Columbia University, 1981, 1982, 1983
: * Bill Catchings, Bob Cattani, Chris Maio, Frank da Cruz, Alan Crosswell
: * Also: Jim Guyton, Rand Corporation
: * Walter Underwood, Ford Aerospace
:
: There are some long-gone names there. It is 1303 lines as
: the wc flies.
:
Compared to 273145 in my working copy of C-Kermit 8.0:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80.html
The old story -- software keeps growing as it ages; people want more
features etc. Then eventually somebody says whoa! It's too big! I want
it to be small and simple like it was in the early days (but faster and
better, etc):
Don't say we don't listen:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/gkermit.html
- Frank
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In article <9qv7u0$6at$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>In article <GLJ80E.AFF@wjv.com>, Bill Vermillion <bv@wjv.com> wrote:
>: In article <3BD1CFD8.A0F55F87@skynet.be>, atle <trollet@skynet.be> wrote:
>: >Bill Vermillion wrote:
>: >I still use a model 3000 keyboard.
>: Had one until a cat peed on it. I now have some old IBM units -
>: the kind that are so heavy you can take them into battle. Great
>: feel.
>I agree -- the late lamented IBM 101 keyboard was absolutely the best.
Well I think mine isn't quite up to 101 :-)
It's the short keyboard with no numeric keypad - designed for one
of the portables or something. It's a Model M - manufactured
on February 19, 1993.
I found them brand new about 18 months ago and I have two sitting
right here - one I swivel to and has a KVM and this one is only on
this machine. I liked them so much I bought 2 more as spares.
$6.00 in new boxes. Didn't look bad for sitting in a warehouse for
7 years :-) Love the touch.
--
Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com
From sobrado@string1.ciencias.uniovi.es Mon Oct 22 10:02:17 EDT 2001
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From: Igor Sobrado <sobrado@string1.ciencias.uniovi.es>
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Subject: Re: Dumb question about man pages
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Thomas A. Horsley <Tom.Horsley@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>Or of a way to produce a UNIX man page and an HTML document from
>>common (plain-text) source?
> Perl (www.perl.com is a good starting place) uses a format it calls POD
> (plain old documentation) and has converters from POD to hmtl, man pages,
> and many other formats (I personally hate POD, but some people love it).
Perl is a powerful scripting language. (but I do not know it yet.)
You can find and nroff to HTML translator at:
ftp://ftp.uci.edu/pub/dtd2html/man2html2.1.0.tar.gz for a too
(I haven't tested it!)
IMHO to work in nroff, translating the source code to HTML, is better
than working in HTML translating the file to nroff. I hate to see how
the Unix manual pages are being dropped (for example, has Communicator
a man page? And Acrobat Reader? And FrameMaker?)
I think that work on the actual nroff source, translating it to HTML
if required, is a better option... but it is only my opinion...
Cheers,
Igor.
--
Igor Sobrado, UK34436 - sobrado@acm.org
From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Oct 22 12:39:29 EDT 2001
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: New C-Kermit 8.0 manpage + tutorial
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As part of the C-Kermit 8.0 package (coming soon) we've put together a
first draft of an all-new manual page and tutorial for the Unix version of
C-Kermit. So far it's just in HTML format -- conversion to nroff will be
postponed to the last possible moment. Who knows, maybe an html-to-nroff
and/or html-to-texinfo converter will come to light by then.
We hope the new page is a lot more helpful than the old one. Comments and
suggestions are welcome, but it's already quite long for a Unix man page
and we don't want to make it much longer.
The HTML is rudimentary except it includes some tables. It looks fine
in Netscape and IE versions going back to 2.0; not so great (but still
legible) in Lynx:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckututor.html
A plain-text version (dumped from Netscape) is available here:
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/text/ckututor.txt
Maybe there will also be a ckvtutor.html for VMS (which could then be
dumped to plain text and from there converted to VMS Help format), but only
when some VMS fanatic out there takes sufficient umbrage at the fact that
Unix got a tutorial and VMS didn't :-)
- Frank
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From: arice@benchmark-systems.com (Alan Rice)
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Subject: Kermit droping back to a login
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Hey,
I've had this problem for a while and I finally got a compiler for the
box.
When You dail into said box and put kermit into server mode. Every
thing works find. The moment you issue a finish to take it out of
server mode it kicks out to a login prompt.
Here are the box stats:
oslevel return: 4.3.2.0
uname -a returns:AIX old943 3 4 00FFFFFF4C00
lppchk -v returns: nothing
lppchk -c returns: nothing
instfix -ik 4330-06_AIX_ML returns: All filesets for 4330-06_AIX_ML
were found.
I've compiled kermit 7 and 8 here are what binaries show:
C-Kermit 7.0.197, 8 Feb 2000, for IBM AIX 4.3
Copyright (C) 1985, 2000,
Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York.
C-Kermit 8.0.200 Beta.03, 9 Sep 2001, for IBM AIX 4.3
Copyright (C) 1985, 2001,
Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York.
Both version kick out to a login prompt.
What am I missing?
Alan Rice
arice@benchmark-systems.com
From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Oct 22 15:44:12 EDT 2001
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit droping back to a login
Date: 22 Oct 2001 19:44:33 GMT
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In article <d86c5ce1.0110221123.53a7102b@posting.google.com>,
Alan Rice <arice@benchmark-systems.com> wrote:
> I've had this problem for a while and I finally got a compiler for the
> box.
> When You dail into said box and put kermit into server mode. Every
> thing works find. The moment you issue a finish to take it out of
> server mode it kicks out to a login prompt.
> ...
> Both version kick out to a login prompt.
>
> What am I missing?
>
How are you starting it? If it's wrapped in a script that contains an
exit command, that might do it, depending on the shell. If you made
Kermit itself the user's login shell, that would do it too. It's gotta
be something like that.
- Frank
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From: arice@benchmark-systems.com (Alan Rice)
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Subject: Re: Kermit droping back to a login
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fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote in message news:<9r1sv1$rdc$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>...
> In article <d86c5ce1.0110221123.53a7102b@posting.google.com>,
> Alan Rice <arice@benchmark-systems.com> wrote:
> > I've had this problem for a while and I finally got a compiler for the
> > box.
> > When You dail into said box and put kermit into server mode. Every
> > thing works find. The moment you issue a finish to take it out of
> > server mode it kicks out to a login prompt.
> > ...
> > Both version kick out to a login prompt.
> >
> > What am I missing?
> >
> How are you starting it? If it's wrapped in a script that contains an
> exit command, that might do it, depending on the shell. If you made
> Kermit itself the user's login shell, that would do it too. It's gotta
> be something like that.
>
> - Frank
I wish it was that simple. I did all the steps manually. I loginto the
box, fire up kermit, send it into server mode, escape back, send and
get till the cows come home, issue the FINISH command and do a
Connect. When I get back to the box it's sitting at a lobin prompt.
Alan R.
From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Oct 23 09:28:40 EDT 2001
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit droping back to a login
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In article <d86c5ce1.0110230446.686fdc5@posting.google.com>,
Alan Rice <arice@benchmark-systems.com> wrote:
: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
: wrote in message news:<9r1sv1$rdc$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>...
: > In article <d86c5ce1.0110221123.53a7102b@posting.google.com>,
: > Alan Rice <arice@benchmark-systems.com> wrote:
: > > ...
: > > When You dail into said box and put kermit into server mode. Every
: > > thing works find. The moment you issue a finish to take it out of
: > > server mode it kicks out to a login prompt.
: > > ...
: > > Both version kick out to a login prompt.
: > >
: > > What am I missing?
: > >
: > How are you starting it? If it's wrapped in a script that contains an
: > exit command, that might do it, depending on the shell. If you made
: > Kermit itself the user's login shell, that would do it too. It's gotta
: > be something like that.
:
: I wish it was that simple. I did all the steps manually. I loginto the
: box, fire up kermit, send it into server mode, escape back, send and
: get till the cows come home, issue the FINISH command and do a
: Connect. When I get back to the box it's sitting at a lobin prompt.
:
How are you dialing into AIX? Direct to a serial port or through a
terminal server? The AIX Telnet server (which you might be using if you
came in through a terminal server) has some quirks, described in Section
3.1 of:
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/text/ckubwr.txt
but the symptom you describe isn't one of them. I can Telnet into AIX,
start Kermit in server mode, and then FINISH, re-enter server mode,
FINISH again, all I want to without a hiccup.
If you are dialing directly into an AIX serial port, that's a different
story, but it's also a scenario I can't duplicate for testing. The most
likely suspect is Kermit's calls to the /dev/tty driver. When Kermit
starts, it gets and saves your terminal modes, and then puts the terminal
into "CBREAK" mode so it can read a character at a time from your keyboard.
When it exits, it restores the original terminal modes. So the first
question is: can you start Kermit and then immediately EXIT from it without
getting logged out?
Next, when Kermit enters either connect (terminal) state or protocol (file
transfer or server) state, it changes terminal modes again to allow maximum
transparency. When it returns to command mode, it restores CBREAK mode.
So the next question is: can you give Kermit a SEND or RECEIVE command
without getting logged out after the file transfer is finished?
If you can, but you still are logged out after sending FINISH, I'd be mighty
puzzled, since the same thing happens on the server end of FINISH as happens
when C-Kermit completes a SEND or RECEIVE command. In fact, I'm mighty
puzzled anyway, because if AIX C-Kermit had such a fundamental problem,
there would be angry mobs in the street below.
I'm copying this reply to the AIX newsgroup in hopes that someone there can
comment on this scenario: dialing directly into an AIX serial port and
transferring files with Kermit. In the past, when serial-port related
problems have come up with AIX, it seems to have made a big difference which
kind of serial port it is -- a built-in one, a port on the 128-port
multiplexer, etc. AIX patch level also tends to be germane.
- Frank
P.S. AIX people: C-Kermit 8.0 is in its final stages of prerelease testing:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80.html
I haven't had the range of AIX versions to build and test it on that I
had in the past, so I'd appreciate it if anybody who has any AIX release
other than 3.2.5, 4.3.2, and 4.3.3 would please build it, send in a binary,
and test it to whatever degree they can.
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: I want to get Kermit Protocol Spec.
Date: 23 Oct 2001 12:58:51 GMT
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In article <1156252c.0110222137.17a9c15@posting.google.com>,
Ogre <1234u@orgio.net> wrote:
: I'd like to get Kermit protocol spec.
:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/manuals.html#protocol
- Frank
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: UX11: my first steps wit a modem
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In article <c8hdtt8g36ca8tcph4vopsu579b6n9muge@4ax.com>,
Stefan Marquardt <stefan.marquardt@hagebau.de> wrote:
: i try to speak with a modem:
:
: hp712-ts: /dev # kermit -l cua0p0
: Executing /usr/share/lib/kermit/ckermit.ini for UNIX...
: Good Afternoon!
: C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for HP-UX 10.00
: Copyright (C) 1985, 1996,
: Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York.
: Default file-transfer mode is TEXT
: Type ? or HELP for help.
: [/dev] C-Kermit>quit
: hp712-ts: /dev # kermit -l cua0p0
: Executing /usr/share/lib/kermit/ckermit.ini for UNIX...
: Good Afternoon!
:
: ?can't open device
:
: As you see the first connect is o.k and the over !
: Where is the error ?
:
I don't have hands-on access to HP-UX 11 yet so I can't try this
myself. On HP-UX 10.20, the exact same sequence works just fine,
so either there is a difference between 10.20 and 11, or else
your device is not set up / configured directly -- some kind of
SAM thing that's a mystery to me.
- Frank
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From: Anish A Patankar <patankar@acsu.buffalo.edu>
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I can get the output from a serial device on the terminal window.
Can anyone please suggest how do i write that output to a file?
I tried the receive -ASname option etc.. but that does help.
Thanks.
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <Pine.SOL.4.30.0110241624320.4071-100000@phaet.cedar.buffalo.edu>,
Anish A Patankar <patankar@acsu.buffalo.edu> wrote:
:
: I can get the output from a serial device on the terminal window.
: Can anyone please suggest how do i write that output to a file?
: I tried the receive -ASname option etc.. but that does help.
:
Depending on which Kermit program you're talking about, and how you are
using it, the easiest way to record stuff coming in a serial port is
with the LOG SESSION command.
- Frank
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From: arice@benchmark-systems.com (Alan Rice)
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fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote in message news:<9r3rb4$c7t$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>...
> In article <d86c5ce1.0110230446.686fdc5@posting.google.com>,
> Alan Rice <arice@benchmark-systems.com> wrote:
> : fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
> : wrote in message news:<9r1sv1$rdc$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>...
> : > In article <d86c5ce1.0110221123.53a7102b@posting.google.com>,
> : > Alan Rice <arice@benchmark-systems.com> wrote:
> : > > ...
> : > > When You dail into said box and put kermit into server mode. Every
> : > > thing works find. The moment you issue a finish to take it out of
> : > > server mode it kicks out to a login prompt.
> : > > ...
> : > > Both version kick out to a login prompt.
> : > >
> : > > What am I missing?
> : > >
> : > How are you starting it? If it's wrapped in a script that contains an
> : > exit command, that might do it, depending on the shell. If you made
> : > Kermit itself the user's login shell, that would do it too. It's gotta
> : > be something like that.
> :
> : I wish it was that simple. I did all the steps manually. I loginto the
> : box, fire up kermit, send it into server mode, escape back, send and
> : get till the cows come home, issue the FINISH command and do a
> : Connect. When I get back to the box it's sitting at a lobin prompt.
> :
> How are you dialing into AIX? Direct to a serial port or through a
> terminal server? The AIX Telnet server (which you might be using if you
> came in through a terminal server) has some quirks, described in Section
> 3.1 of:
>
> ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/text/ckubwr.txt
>
> but the symptom you describe isn't one of them. I can Telnet into AIX,
> start Kermit in server mode, and then FINISH, re-enter server mode,
> FINISH again, all I want to without a hiccup.
>
> If you are dialing directly into an AIX serial port, that's a different
> story, but it's also a scenario I can't duplicate for testing. The most
> likely suspect is Kermit's calls to the /dev/tty driver. When Kermit
> starts, it gets and saves your terminal modes, and then puts the terminal
> into "CBREAK" mode so it can read a character at a time from your keyboard.
> When it exits, it restores the original terminal modes. So the first
> question is: can you start Kermit and then immediately EXIT from it without
> getting logged out?
>
> Next, when Kermit enters either connect (terminal) state or protocol (file
> transfer or server) state, it changes terminal modes again to allow maximum
> transparency. When it returns to command mode, it restores CBREAK mode.
> So the next question is: can you give Kermit a SEND or RECEIVE command
> without getting logged out after the file transfer is finished?
>
> If you can, but you still are logged out after sending FINISH, I'd be mighty
> puzzled, since the same thing happens on the server end of FINISH as happens
> when C-Kermit completes a SEND or RECEIVE command. In fact, I'm mighty
> puzzled anyway, because if AIX C-Kermit had such a fundamental problem,
> there would be angry mobs in the street below.
>
> I'm copying this reply to the AIX newsgroup in hopes that someone there can
> comment on this scenario: dialing directly into an AIX serial port and
> transferring files with Kermit. In the past, when serial-port related
> problems have come up with AIX, it seems to have made a big difference which
> kind of serial port it is -- a built-in one, a port on the 128-port
> multiplexer, etc. AIX patch level also tends to be germane.
>
> - Frank
>
> P.S. AIX people: C-Kermit 8.0 is in its final stages of prerelease testing:
>
> http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80.html
>
> I haven't had the range of AIX versions to build and test it on that I
> had in the past, so I'd appreciate it if anybody who has any AIX release
> other than 3.2.5, 4.3.2, and 4.3.3 would please build it, send in a binary,
> and test it to whatever degree they can.
I am dialing in to the box in question.
I can start and stop kermit with no problems. But I can not issue a
SEND or a RECEIVE without it kicking me out to a login prompt.
ALan R
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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.aix
Subject: Re: Kermit droping back to a login
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In article <d86c5ce1.0110250443.273b22ef@posting.google.com>,
Alan Rice <arice@benchmark-systems.com> wrote:
:Frank da Cruz wrote:
: > If you are dialing directly into an AIX serial port, that's a different
: > story, but it's also a scenario I can't duplicate for testing. The most
: > likely suspect is Kermit's calls to the /dev/tty driver. When Kermit
: > starts, it gets and saves your terminal modes, and then puts the terminal
: > into "CBREAK" mode so it can read a character at a time from your keyboard.
: > When it exits, it restores the original terminal modes. So the first
: > question is: can you start Kermit and then immediately EXIT from it without
: > getting logged out?
:
: I am dialing in to the box in question.
:
: I can start and stop kermit with no problems. But I can not issue a
: SEND or a RECEIVE without it kicking me out to a login prompt.
:
: ALan R
The problem is most likely the one that Frank described. The attempt
to reset the terminal modes is causing the PTY to terminate. Therefore,
the getty driver executes a new login() command on the device.
This would be a bug in the PTY driver. There are many such bugs that
have been fixed with patches from IBM. I'm not sure which version of AIX
you are running, but the IBM AIX APAR database is the place to start.
Search for "pty".
Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 8.0 Beta available
The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP
http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and
kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow.
From steve@baus-systems.com Thu Oct 25 18:57:37 EDT 2001
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From: "Steve" <steve@baus-systems.com>
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Subject: Set Modem Commands
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How do you issue Hayes AT commands in a situation where you are not going to
dial out with the modem but rather wait to answer a call in server mode? I
can only get my AT commands to take if I issue the Dial command.
Thanks,
Steve
From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Oct 25 18:57:41 EDT 2001
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Set Modem Commands
Date: 25 Oct 2001 22:58:16 GMT
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In article <tth63atkcggfb6@corp.supernews.com>,
Steve <steve@baus-systems.com> wrote:
: How do you issue Hayes AT commands in a situation where you are not going to
: dial out with the modem but rather wait to answer a call in server mode? I
: can only get my AT commands to take if I issue the Dial command.
:
Use the ANSWER command. HELP SET ANSWER for more info.
- Frank
From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Oct 26 09:34:39 EDT 2001
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.unix.programmer,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: resumable ftp ??
Date: 26 Oct 2001 13:22:49 GMT
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In article <3eb007f1.0110252012.40a46bd9@posting.google.com>,
Sony Antony <sonyantony@hotmail.com> wrote:
: While visiting HP site to download some drivers, I noticed them
: proclaiming about some "resumable download " feature at their site. I
: have seen something similar in netscape smart agent also.
: Essentially you can download part of it and then resume the remaining
: later.
:
: I was wondering if there is any ftp like standard protocol that
: allowes this. I ve felt this to be a shortcoming in ftp.
:
The widespread standard FTP protocol, RFC959, includes a REST (restart)
command. This lets the client request the server position its file pointer
to a given position before starting to send the next file. The client then
appends the incoming file to the incomplete part of the file whose download
was previously interrupted. This works only for binary-mode downloads
between stream-oriented file systems. For text ("ascii") mode transfers
between file systems with differing record format (e.g. LF vs CRLF line
terminators) this would produce a corrupt result.
For uploading, it's all done in the client.
Some servers (such as wu-ftpd and ProFTPD) support REST, some don't. Some
clients support REST, some don't. Some clients support recovery of
interrupted uploads, some don't. An example of an FTP client that supports
both upload and download recovery is C-Kermit 8.0:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpclient.html
But of course download recovery also requires a server that supports REST.
RFC959 also alludes to a more flexible checkpoint/restart procedure, but I'm
not aware that it has ever been implemented.
The Kermit protocol is another one that supports recovery in both
directions, also only for binary-mode transfers. As with FTP, a more
complicated general-purpose checkpoint/restart mechanism has been designed
but never implemented due to lack of demand. As described in RFCs 2839 and
2840, Kermit servers can now be installed as Internet services, just like
ftpd, and have some distinct advantages over ftpd:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cuiksd.html
- Frank
From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Oct 26 09:55:43 EDT 2001
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp.hpux,comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: rm files older than 14 days
Date: 26 Oct 2001 13:51:22 GMT
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In article <3bd91c1e$1@netnews.web.de>,
Christian Hartmann <christian.hartmann@sheego.com> wrote:
: I am looking for the command to remove files in a given directory which
: are older than 14 days. I've got the following command, which is running
: under linux, but unfortunately not under hp-ux.
:
: find /<directory_to_seek_in>/ -type -f -mtime +14 -print0 | xargs 0r- n
: $(getconf ARG_MAX) -P0 rn -fv
:
The next release of C-Kermit, 8.0:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80.html
would let you do it like this:
delete /before:-14days *
or:
delete /before:-2weeks *
where "*" applies to the current directory. You might find this more
intuitive than the many permutations of find, xargs, and their options.
If you wanted the file specification to apply recursively, then:
delete /before:-2weeks /recursive *
And if you wanted to add exception lists, size qualifiers, etc, you could do
that too:
C-Kermit>del ? File specification; or switch, one of the following:
/after: /except: /nodotfiles /not-before: /summary
/ask /heading /noheading /page /tree
/before: /larger-than: /nolist /recursive /type:
/directories /list /nopage /simulate
/dotfiles /noask /not-after: /smaller-than:
C-Kermit>del
Since C-Kermit is part of HP-UX, presumably it will be updated by HP
when the new version is released. If not, you can get it from Columbia
for all HP-UX version from 5 to 11.
- Frank
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From: arice@benchmark-systems.com (Alan Rice)
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jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) wrote in message news:<9r92os$373$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>...
> In article <d86c5ce1.0110250443.273b22ef@posting.google.com>,
> Alan Rice <arice@benchmark-systems.com> wrote:
> :Frank da Cruz wrote:
> : > If you are dialing directly into an AIX serial port, that's a different
> : > story, but it's also a scenario I can't duplicate for testing. The most
> : > likely suspect is Kermit's calls to the /dev/tty driver. When Kermit
> : > starts, it gets and saves your terminal modes, and then puts the terminal
> : > into "CBREAK" mode so it can read a character at a time from your keyboard.
> : > When it exits, it restores the original terminal modes. So the first
> : > question is: can you start Kermit and then immediately EXIT from it without
> : > getting logged out?
> :
> : I am dialing in to the box in question.
> :
> : I can start and stop kermit with no problems. But I can not issue a
> : SEND or a RECEIVE without it kicking me out to a login prompt.
> :
> : ALan R
>
> The problem is most likely the one that Frank described. The attempt
> to reset the terminal modes is causing the PTY to terminate. Therefore,
> the getty driver executes a new login() command on the device.
>
> This would be a bug in the PTY driver. There are many such bugs that
> have been fixed with patches from IBM. I'm not sure which version of AIX
> you are running, but the IBM AIX APAR database is the place to start.
> Search for "pty".
>
>
>
> Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 8.0 Beta available
> The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP
> http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and
> kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow.
Jeffery,
Yes it is a "bug" in the driver That Dale Talcott told me about back
in May. The problem is IBM calls it a standard and I don't see it
going away. And my product vendor that ships my hardware is using the
AIX level that includes this.
Here's a copy of the email I sent to Frank back it May.
:IY06484 modifies the pseudo-tty driver so that if you perform a
:zero-length write on one size, it shows up as a zero-length read on
:the other side. For every other file type in Unix, a return of 0
:from read() indicates end-of-file, but those lunatic people in the
:Single-Unix standards group decided that pseudo-tty's should be an
:exception to this principle. IY06484 brings AIX into compliance with
:this idiocy. (Can you tell that I am not pleased with this part of
:the standard? :-)
:This breaks several third-party programs, as well as IBM's own
:"script" program. The only fix is to track down programs that
:manipulate pseudo-tty's and change how they detect when the tty is
:closed. (Our list so far is script, sshd, expect, and PBS.)
:If this turns out to be your problem, you'll need to modify kermit.
:There's a chance the kermit people have already done this, so you
:might check that you are running the latest version.
:--
:Dale Talcott, Purdue University Computing Center
: aeh@quest.cc.purdue.edu
And here's Franks reply:
:> In the AIX user group Dale Talcott sent me the following email.
Would this
:> explain the behavior I'm seeing?
:>
:No, but it's interesting anyway, because we do have "script" and
"expect"
:like functions in C-Kermit, which work through ptys. But you're not
using
:them. I suppose we'll have to look and see if our pty code treats
0-length
:reads as EOF. I hope not. Hmmm, OK, I just looked and sure
enough...
: if (read(syncpipe[0], &c, 1) == 0) { /* Slave side died */
:But that's in just one place so maybe there's a workaround...
:Anyway, as I noted previously, I can't reproduce the problem you
reported
:(getting logged out when you send a FINISH command) when making a
Telnet
:connection with C-Kermit from AIX 4.3.3 (or any other platform), and
I have
:no way of making a dialout connection from AIX with C-Kermit.
However, I
:don't see what difference the connection type would make.
:So I take it the IBM C compiler is an extra-cost option on AIX?
Jerks.
:- Frank
If you need to I can provide you with access to the box here that is
broken and does not work. Tell me what we need to do to fix it.
Alan R
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit droping back to a login
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In article <d86c5ce1.0110260800.7b127dbf@posting.google.com>,
Alan Rice <arice@benchmark-systems.com> wrote:
: ...
: Yes it is a "bug" in the [pty] driver That Dale Talcott told me about
: back in May. The problem is IBM calls it a standard and I don't see it
: going away. And my product vendor that ships my hardware is using the
: AIX level that includes this.
:
But you said you were dialing in to AIX, and in that case, no ptys
would be involved. I think I asked you if you were dialing directly into
a port or going through a terminal server. If you are going through a
terminal server, that's equivalent to making a Telnet connection to AIX,
and when I do this, I don't see the problem. The part I can't test is
dialing directly into AIX.
- Frank
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp.hpux,comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: transfering files securely (encryption ?)
Date: 26 Oct 2001 18:09:52 GMT
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In article <slrn9tiug6.i0g.Ralf.Hildebrandt@postamt1.charite.de>,
Ralf Hildebrandt <Ralf.Hildebrandt@charite.de> wrote:
: On 26 Oct 2001 07:51:12 -0700,
: Marvin Blackburn <mblackburn@glenraven.com> wrote:
: >We need a package that will allow us to transfer files to/from and hpux
: >11.0 system. It should be encrypted. Any suggestions?
:
: Use OpenSSH. It's been standard for years now on systems like *BSD and
: Linux. It's free.
:
: With OpenSSH (which provides the commands ssh, scp, sftp and others) you can
: e.g. scp files between boxes compressed and encrypted.
:
This might be OK for Unix-Unix transfers, but it's not great for transfers
of text files between Unix and non-Unix (e.g. Windows, VMS), and of course
it's not available for a lot of platforms where standard file-transfer and
security are available.
Other options include FTP secured by Kerberos IV, Kerberos V, SSL/TLS, or
other IETF-standard security method. I understand HP-UX 11 includes
K5 and SSL/TLS support. Whether that includes the FTP server and client
I don't know (does anybody?). Other FTP servers that include IETF-approved
authentication and encryption methods are listed here:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpd.html
And your old friend C-Kermit (in its new 8.0 release) is a secure (and
scriptable) FTP client to these servers. Unlike scp, it handles platform
differences and doesn't assume everything is Unix. Not only can it convert
between Unix and other text-file formats, it also can convert text character
sets, e.g. HP-Roman8 / ISO Latin-1 / Unicode UTF-8:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpclient.html
And then there's Kermit protocol, which is in many ways more powerful and
flexible that FTP protocol, and these days also about as fast. Kermit
clients AND servers can be built with Kerberos IV, Kerberos V, SSL/TLS,
and/or SRP security:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html
C-Kermit can be a secure client of RFC2839/2840 Internet Kermit Service:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cuiksd.html
or of any of the secure Telnet servers listed in the first reference above.
- Frank
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In article <3BD9D979.6A24ED2E@nogui.se>, Christer Palm <palm@nogui.se> wrote:
: Joerg Bruehe wrote:
: > I do put my foot down and do not allow Microsoft style "names"
: > (like "Own Programs" etc.) in any Unix tool (script) I write.
: > I see no reason why such names should be used, all they bring
: > you is additional difficulties (which fits their MS origin).
:
: I was primarly thinking about the security implications and the risk for
: nasty surprises when using xargs together with destructive commands such
: as rm. Using it with unknown input data by putting it inside an
: automated script, or using it on large sets of files (which I assume was
: the intention of the original poster) is definitely risky.
:
: This can hardly be avoided by simply setting up a policy.
:
Excellent points.
: It is quite clear that spaces, newlines, asterisks and everything else
: except for '\0' and '/' are perfectly valid in UNIX filenames, and that
: they are so by deliberate design. It is also quite clear that it is
: extremely hard to write shell scripts that flawlessly handle those
: characters. Especially when processing a list of filenames.
:
Which is why, sometimes the Unix building-block approach is not ideal,
and the monolithic do-all application can offer bit more utility and
safety. Again, here's C-Kermit 8.0:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80.html
First let's list the files in the current directory:
C-Kermit>dir
-rw-rw---- 833 2001-10-26 16:27:12 *.*
-rw-rw---- 1511 2001-10-26 16:27:27 -f
-rw-rw---- 6263 2001-10-26 16:25:58 oofa.txt
-rw-rw---- 2277 2001-10-26 16:26:16 this file
-rw-rw---- 3065 2001-10-26 16:26:34 this is a file too
Yikes, they have funny names. What would happen if I tried to delete
them?
C-Kermit>del /sim *
*.* (SELECTED)
-f (SELECTED)
oofa.txt (SELECTED)
this file (SELECTED)
this is a file too (SELECTED)
It says it would do the right thing. Will it really?
C-Kermit>del /list *
*.* (OK)
-f (OK)
oofa.txt (OK)
this file (OK)
this is a file too (OK)
Yes. checking:
C-Kermit>dir
C-Kermit>
The files are gone. No confusion over the boundaries between filenames,
files whose names contain metacharacters or resemble rm options, etc, and
no obscure syntax was required.
- Frank
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Subject: Re: Ques with file
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Hi,
What i am doing is that I am taking a image snapshot and i want the data
that comes from serial port (using C-Kermit) to be written to a file.
I tried all the options with the receive and get and that did not help.
the receive /as:name option does not create a new file....
Can please anyone know how a file of the incoming data can be created?
Thanks,
Anish Patankar.
On 24 Oct 2001, Frank da Cruz wrote:
> In article <Pine.SOL.4.30.0110241624320.4071-100000@phaet.cedar.buffalo.edu>,
> Anish A Patankar <patankar@acsu.buffalo.edu> wrote:
> :
> : I can get the output from a serial device on the terminal window.
> : Can anyone please suggest how do i write that output to a file?
> : I tried the receive -ASname option etc.. but that does help.
> :
> Depending on which Kermit program you're talking about, and how you are
> using it, the easiest way to record stuff coming in a serial port is
> with the LOG SESSION command.
>
> - Frank
>
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In article <Pine.SOL.4.30.0110242037050.4071-100000@phaet.cedar.buffalo.edu>,
Anish A Patankar <patankar@acsu.buffalo.edu> wrote:
: On 24 Oct 2001, Frank da Cruz wrote:
: > In article
: > <Pine.SOL.4.30.0110241624320.4071-100000@phaet.cedar.buffalo.edu>,
: > Anish A Patankar <patankar@acsu.buffalo.edu> wrote:
: > :
: > : I can get the output from a serial device on the terminal window.
: > : Can anyone please suggest how do i write that output to a file?
: > : I tried the receive -ASname option etc.. but that does help.
: > :
: > Depending on which Kermit program you're talking about, and how you are
: > using it, the easiest way to record stuff coming in a serial port is
: > with the LOG SESSION command.
: >
: > - Frank
: What i am doing is that I am taking a image snapshot and i want the data
: that comes from serial port (using C-Kermit) to be written to a file.
: I tried all the options with the receive and get and that did not help.
: the receive /as:name option does not create a new file....
: Can please anyone know how a file of the incoming data can be created?
:
With the LOG SESSION command, as suggested previously. SEND, RECEIVE,
GET, and such are for protocol transfers. In this case you just want to
capture whatever bytes are arriving -- that's what LOG SESSION is for.
The easiest way to use it is as follows:
set modem type none
set carrier-watch off ; if necessary
set port /dev/ttyS0 ; or whatever
set speed 57600 ; or whatever
set flow rts/cts ; or Xon/Xoff or None
log session shapshot.log ; Start session log
connect
>From this point until you escape back with Ctrl-\c, all the incoming
bytes are recorded in the file called shapshot.log. There are other
ways to do it too, but this is the most straightforward.
All this is assuming it's a text file. If it's a binary file, such as a
Jpeg image, you're not necessarily going to be able to transfer it this way
due to lack of transparency of the connection to arbitrary bit patterns.
Use Kermit or some other protocol to transfer it. If protocol transfers
are not available, try the above sequence but before giving the LOG SESSION
command, use:
set session-log binary
But there can be guarantees. Even if the data arrives intact, how do you
know where the beginning and end are?
- Frank
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I'm currently engaged in deploying an application that utilizes
the latest version of K95. Of the 300 sites, we're in about 50.
2 of these sites are unable to reliably connect to their
intended server, but share a common pattern that perhaps you'll
recognize.
If we first connect to the server with HyperTerminal, K95 will
execute the script and perform like a champ. If not, it will
fail in various ways--either "you must set port or host..." or
"no carrier detected" are popular.
The text I've read concerning K95cinit.exe seems like it might
be related, but there's a number of variations:
1) One machine is Windows ME--the text suggests it's a Windows
9x problem.
2) We've tried connections (on both machines) using TAPI and
port/modemtype, but the results do not vary.
3) The issue that K95cinit was intended to fix, is no longer an
issue with K95.
A copy of K95cinit is enroute to the difficult sites, and we
should be able to see if this replicates whatever HyperTerminal
is doing. Also, line quality checks are being performed. In
both cases, though, these workstation have recently (within 3
months) transmitted data to a different server using a different
client application.
Some specifics (tell me what would help and I'll get it):
Machine 1
Windows 98
External US Robotics 56K
no weird peripherals
sufficient hd and memory
Machine 2
Windows ME
Internal Telepath X2 (winmodem)
no weird peripherals
sufficient hd and memory
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I'm currently engaged in deploying an application that utilizes
the latest version of K95. Of the 300 sites, we're in about 50.
2 of these sites are unable to reliably connect to their
intended server, but share a common pattern that perhaps you'll
recognize.
If we first connect to the server with HyperTerminal, K95 will
execute the script and perform like a champ. If not, it will
fail in various ways--either "you must set port or host..." or
"no carrier detected" are popular.
The text I've read concerning K95cinit.exe seems like it might
be related, but there's a number of variations:
1) One machine is Windows ME--the text suggests it's a Windows
9x problem.
2) We've tried connections (on both machines) using TAPI and
port/modemtype, but the results do not vary.
3) The issue that K95cinit was intended to fix, is no longer an
issue with K95.
A copy of K95cinit is enroute to the difficult sites, and we
should be able to see if this replicates whatever HyperTerminal
is doing. Also, line quality checks are being performed. In
both cases, though, these workstation have recently (within 3
months) transmitted data to a different server using a different
client application.
Only K95.EXE installed on the target machine. No INI files are
made available--everything is done from a script this is
dynamically formed from a mostly static template. K95 is
invoked with:
K95.EXE -H -# 26
I've gone through the connection diagnosticts section in Using
C-Kermit, but my difficulty seems to lie before a connection
attempt is made. It either will run normally, or it immediately
fails.
Some specifics or the PCs (tell me what would help and I'll get
it):
Machine 1
Windows 98
External US Robotics 56K
no weird peripherals
sufficient hd and memory
Machine 2
Windows ME
Internal Telepath X2 (winmodem)
no weird peripherals
sufficient hd and memory
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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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In article <9rd3lo02skp@enews3.newsguy.com>,
Grinder <grinder@no.spam.maam.com> wrote:
: If we first connect to the server with HyperTerminal, K95 will
: execute the script and perform like a champ. If not, it will
: fail in various ways--either "you must set port or host..." or
: "no carrier detected" are popular.
:
: The text I've read concerning K95cinit.exe seems like it might
: be related, but there's a number of variations:
:
: 1) One machine is Windows ME--the text suggests it's a Windows
: 9x problem.
Windows ME is a version of Windows 9x. The 9x versions of Windows
are all those 32-bit versions not built on the NT base:
Windows 95
Windows 95 OSR2
Windows 98
Windows 98 Second Edition
Windows Millenium Edition
: 2) We've tried connections (on both machines) using TAPI and
: port/modemtype, but the results do not vary.
When using the TAPI device name are you using TAPI Modem-dialing
or Kermit Modem-dialing?
What is the error produced when the
SET TAPI LINE tapi-device
command is issued?
What does the debug.log report?
LOG DEBUG
SET TAPI LINE tapi-device
CLOSE DEBUG
TYPE debug.log
: 3) The issue that K95cinit was intended to fix, is no longer an
: issue with K95.
Of course, we attempt to work around the weird interactions of Windows 9x
device drivers and 32-bit Console APIs as best as we can. However,
Windows ME was released after K95 1.1.20 and if there are any changes
to those implementations which have a negative affect on K95 this
would be the first we are hearing about them.
: I've gone through the connection diagnosticts section in Using
: C-Kermit, but my difficulty seems to lie before a connection
: attempt is made. It either will run normally, or it immediately
: fails.
The problem is most likely during the SET PORT or SET TAPI LINE
command. Send the debug.log from that command as indicated above
to kermit-support@columbia.edu.
Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 8.0 Beta available
The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP
http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and
kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow.
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The succeeding text intended to be something more coherent than
a laundry list of my attempts to resolve a connection issue.
>From this vantage, though, it's all useful information and I
realize that it's the big picture that _I'm missing.
_________
I'm currently engaged in deploying an application that utilizes
the latest version of K95. Of the 300 sites, we're in about 50.
2 of these sites are unable to reliably connect to their
intended server, but share a common pattern that perhaps you'll
recognize.
If we first connect to the server with HyperTerminal, K95 will
execute the script and perform like a champ. If not, it will
fail in various ways--either "you must set port or host..." or
"no carrier detected" are popular.
The text I've read concerning K95cinit.exe seems like it might
be related, but there's a number of variations:
1) One machine is Windows ME--the text suggests it's
a Windows 9x problem.
2) We've tried connections (on both machines) using
TAPI as well as port and modemtype, but the results
are invariant.
3) The difficulty that K95cinit was intended to resolve, is no
longer an issue with K95. (Fixed bug 79, maybe)
A copy of K95cinit is enroute to the difficult sites, and we
should be able to see if this replicates whatever HyperTerminal
is doing.
Also, line quality checks are being performed. In both cases,
though, these workstation have recently (within 3 months)
transmitted data to a different server using a different client
application.
Kermit-95 is being invoked with a ShellExecute:
K95 -# 26
and is being monitored in a lazy (3 sec) loop by
GetExitCodeProcess().
Some specifics (tell me what would help and I'll get it):
Machine 1
Windows 98
External US Robotics 56K
no weird peripherals
sufficient hd and memory
Machine 2
Windows ME
Internal Telepath X2 (winmodem)
no weird peripherals
sufficient hd and memory
Here's a typical tapi-style script that I'm using (the rest is
boilerplate login and swap files stuff):
; Account Configuration
define \%n 1-877-222-2222
define \%u yyyyyyy
define \%p xxxxxxx
; Modem Configuration
set modem type none
set tapi line Creative_Modem_Blaster_Flash56_PCI_DI5630-4
set modem type tapi
; --------------------------------------------------------------
--------
; Begin template: k95.ksc
; --------------------------------------------------------------
--------
cls
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In article <9rd3nb02smd@enews3.newsguy.com>,
Grinder <grinder@no.spam.maam.com> wrote:
: Here's a typical tapi-style script that I'm using (the rest is
: boilerplate login and swap files stuff):
:
: ; Account Configuration
: define \%n 1-877-222-2222
: define \%u yyyyyyy
: define \%p xxxxxxx
:
: ; Modem Configuration
: set modem type none
: set tapi line Creative_Modem_Blaster_Flash56_PCI_DI5630-4
: set modem type tapi
:
Change this to
SET TAPI MODEM-DIALING ON
SET MODEM TYPE TAPI
SET TAPI LINE Creative_Modem_Blaster_Flash56_PCI_DI5630-4
IF FAILURE EXIT 1 Unable to open Creative_Modem_Blaster_Flash56_PCI_DI5630-4
Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 8.0 Beta available
The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP
http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and
kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow.
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My memory may be getting foggy.
I normally use kermit for both ends of any file transfer, but I find myself
logging in to a Vax system directly into an application, and there is no
kermit ;-(
When this app saves a file, I'm supposed to fetch it via ftp.
Long, long ago, I recall that a Kermit command of "ftp" would initiate an
ftp session to the current host, using the current username and login.
I don't see that available anymore (Kermit-95 1.1.20)
I tried "ftp \v(line)" since that contains the host name, but it also has
:telnet appended, so that's not a happy thing.
I could easily make a macro, but this used to be a default feature.
On a related note:
If I require a second "password", say, to access a particular
program after logging in to a system, how can I embed that second
password encrypted in my login script? It seems that I could use K95
dialer to create a script with that password, and then copy the encrypted
line to the other KSC file, but that's a little obtuse.
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- Pope Valley (Napa County) CA.
From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Oct 29 14:56:10 EST 2001
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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: auto-ftp login
Date: 29 Oct 2001 19:44:21 GMT
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In article <9rk8ql$c6h$1@samba.rahul.net>, <dold@46.usenet.us.com> wrote:
: My memory may be getting foggy.
: I normally use kermit for both ends of any file transfer, but I find myself
: logging in to a Vax system directly into an application, and there is no
: kermit ;-(
:
: When this app saves a file, I'm supposed to fetch it via ftp.
: Long, long ago, I recall that a Kermit command of "ftp" would initiate an
: ftp session to the current host, using the current username and login.
: I don't see that available anymore (Kermit-95 1.1.20)
: I tried "ftp \v(line)" since that contains the host name, but it also has
: :telnet appended, so that's not a happy thing.
1.1.20 does support this. Simply execute the command
FTP
after connecting the the telnet host. This will start the Microsoft
FTP client or any other ftp client you can configured using
SET FTP ...
However, Clarence you are not using 1.1.20. You are using the test
build of 1.1.21 which has the built-in FTP client support.
: I could easily make a macro, but this used to be a default feature.
:
: On a related note:
: If I require a second "password", say, to access a particular
: program after logging in to a system, how can I embed that second
: password encrypted in my login script? It seems that I could use K95
: dialer to create a script with that password, and then copy the encrypted
: line to the other KSC file, but that's a little obtuse.
Simple answer: You can't. Passwords in scripts cannot be encrypted.
Passwords in scripts generated by the dialer are encoded but since the
K95 process must be able to decode them before transmitting them to the
host, they are hardly encrypted.
Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 8.0 Beta available
The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP
http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and
kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow.
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From: Ralf.Hildebrandt@charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
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Subject: Re: transfering files securely (encryption ?)
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On 26 Oct 2001 18:09:52 GMT, Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>This might be OK for Unix-Unix transfers, but it's not great for transfers
>of text files between Unix and non-Unix (e.g. Windows, VMS), and of course
>it's not available for a lot of platforms where standard file-transfer and
>security are available.
Oh yes?
http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/
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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: transfering files securely (encryption ?)
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In article <slrn9trb2v.nb9.Ralf.Hildebrandt@postamt1.charite.de>,
Ralf Hildebrandt <Ralf.Hildebrandt@charite.de> wrote:
: On 26 Oct 2001 18:09:52 GMT, Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
:
: >This might be OK for Unix-Unix transfers, but it's not great for transfers
: >of text files between Unix and non-Unix (e.g. Windows, VMS), and of course
: >it's not available for a lot of platforms where standard file-transfer and
: >security are available.
:
: Oh yes?
: http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/
:
Cygwin on Windows does allow OpenSSH to be used there. But it does
not address the lack of support in the SFTP protocol for handling
the differences between Stream-Binary, Stream-ASCII, Stream-EBCDIC,
Stream-Unicode, and various Record based file formats used on various
operating systems. SFTP treats everything as Stream-Binary no matter
what.
Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 8.0 Beta available
The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP
http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and
kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow.
From dold@46.usenet.us.com Mon Oct 29 15:55:32 EST 2001
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From: dold@46.usenet.us.com
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Subject: Re: auto-ftp login
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Jeffrey Altman <jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
: 1.1.20 does support this. Simply execute the command
: FTP
: after connecting the the telnet host. This will start the Microsoft
: FTP client or any other ftp client you can configured using
: SET FTP ...
: However, Clarence you are not using 1.1.20. You are using the test
: build of 1.1.21 which has the built-in FTP client support.
That didn't seem to work very well:
[C:\K95\] K-95> ftp
?ftp what? "help ftp" for hints
[C:\K95\] K-95>
: Simple answer: You can't. Passwords in scripts cannot be encrypted.
: K95 process must be able to decode them before transmitting them to the
: host, they are hardly encrypted.
I don't know what other word to use... "obscured".
Whatever casual level of encryption is used to store the password in the
.ksc is fine for this usage. If it were more important, I wouldn't store
it using the Kermit Dialer.
--
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Clarence A Dold - dold@email.rahul.net
- Pope Valley (Napa County) CA.
From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Oct 29 15:55:35 EST 2001
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: auto-ftp login
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In article <9rkcqn$cuf$1@samba.rahul.net>, <dold@46.usenet.us.com> wrote:
: ...
: That didn't seem to work very well:
: [C:\K95\] K-95> ftp
: ?ftp what? "help ftp" for hints
: [C:\K95\] K-95>
:
The new FTP client is explained here:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpclient.html
and in complete detail here:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit3.html#x3
- Frank
From patankar@acsu.buffalo.edu Mon Oct 29 16:01:44 EST 2001
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From: Anish A Patankar <patankar@acsu.buffalo.edu>
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Subject: Re: Ques with file
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:57:35 -0500
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Thanks..
But how do i start kermit protocol on a serial device.. i start the kermit
on my local mc on which the device is attached, but how do i initiate a
binary JPEG file image transfer using kermit protocol transfer with the
serial device..so that i can use receive , send etc..
Thanks again.
> set modem type none > set carrier-watch off ;
if necessary > set port /dev/ttyS0 ; or whatever
> set speed 57600 ; or whatever
> set flow rts/cts ; or Xon/Xoff or None
> log session shapshot.log ; Start session log
> connect
>
> From this point until you escape back with Ctrl-\c, all the incoming
> bytes are recorded in the file called shapshot.log. There are other
> ways to do it too, but this is the most straightforward.
>
> All this is assuming it's a text file. If it's a binary file, such as a
> Jpeg image, you're not necessarily going to be able to transfer it this way
> due to lack of transparency of the connection to arbitrary bit patterns.
> Use Kermit or some other protocol to transfer it. If protocol transfers
> are not available, try the above sequence but before giving the LOG SESSION
> command, use:
>
> set session-log binary
>
> But there can be guarantees. Even if the data arrives intact, how do you
> know where the beginning and end are?
>
> - Frank
>
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In article <Pine.SOL.4.30.0110291554450.5079-100000@phaet.cedar.buffalo.edu>,
Anish A Patankar <patankar@acsu.buffalo.edu> wrote:
:
: But how do i start kermit protocol on a serial device.. i start the kermit
: on my local mc on which the device is attached, but how do i initiate a
: binary JPEG file image transfer using kermit protocol transfer with the
: serial device..so that i can use receive , send etc..
:
Nobody could answer that question without knowing what the device is on
the other end of the cable. Is it a computer? If so, what operating
system?
- Frank
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Subject: Re: auto-ftp login
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Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
: In article <9rkcqn$cuf$1@samba.rahul.net>, <dold@46.usenet.us.com> wrote:
: : ...
: : That didn't seem to work very well:
: : [C:\K95\] K-95> ftp
: : ?ftp what? "help ftp" for hints
: : [C:\K95\] K-95>
: :
: The new FTP client is explained here:
: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpclient.html
: and in complete detail here:
: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit3.html#x3
I read those. That leaves me without the earlier method of being able to
start an ftp session using the current hostname as a default.
Jeff indicates that it is available.
I can do a macro to strip off the :telnet from \v(line) and use that, but
it used to be possible to invoke ftp without specifying a hostname.
--
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Clarence A Dold - dold@email.rahul.net
- Pope Valley (Napa County) CA.
From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Oct 29 18:14:09 EST 2001
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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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In article <9rkml6$eok$1@samba.rahul.net>, <dold@46.usenet.us.com> wrote:
: Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
: : In article <9rkcqn$cuf$1@samba.rahul.net>, <dold@46.usenet.us.com> wrote:
: : : ...
: : : That didn't seem to work very well:
: : : [C:\K95\] K-95> ftp
: : : ?ftp what? "help ftp" for hints
: : : [C:\K95\] K-95>
: : :
: : The new FTP client is explained here:
: : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpclient.html
: : and in complete detail here:
: : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit3.html#x3
:
: I read those. That leaves me without the earlier method of being able to
: start an ftp session using the current hostname as a default.
: Jeff indicates that it is available.
:
: I can do a macro to strip off the :telnet from \v(line) and use that, but
: it used to be possible to invoke ftp without specifying a hostname.
:
I indicated that it WAS available in 1.1.20. You are not using 1.1.20.
Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 8.0 Beta available
The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP
http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and
kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow.
From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Oct 29 18:26:56 EST 2001
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <9rkml6$eok$1@samba.rahul.net>, <dold@46.usenet.us.com> wrote:
: Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
: : In article <9rkcqn$cuf$1@samba.rahul.net>, <dold@46.usenet.us.com> wrote:
: : : ...
: : : That didn't seem to work very well:
: : : [C:\K95\] K-95> ftp
: : : ?ftp what? "help ftp" for hints
: : : [C:\K95\] K-95>
: : :
: : The new FTP client is explained here:
: : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpclient.html
: : and in complete detail here:
: : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit3.html#x3
:
: I read those. That leaves me without the earlier method of being able to
: start an ftp session using the current hostname as a default.
: Jeff indicates that it is available.
:
: I can do a macro to strip off the :telnet from \v(line) and use that, but
: it used to be possible to invoke ftp without specifying a hostname.
:
Maybe we can make FTP OPEN default to the current SET HOST hostname.
In the meantime, you can do it with something like this:
define myftp {
if defined \%1 {
if defined \%2 {
ftp open \%1 /user:\%2
} else {
ftp open \%1 /user:\v(user)
}
} else {
if not local end 1 Sorry - no current connection.
if not \findex(telnet,\v(line)) end 1 No active Telnet connection.
ftp open \fstripx(\v(line),:)
}
}
- Frank
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Jeffrey Altman <jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
: I indicated that it WAS available in 1.1.20. You are not using 1.1.20.
Sorry. It wasn't clear in my reading of that text that it had disappeared
in 1.1.21.
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From Ralf.Hildebrandt@charite.de Tue Oct 30 08:55:15 EST 2001
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From: Ralf.Hildebrandt@charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
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Subject: Re: transfering files securely (encryption ?)
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On 29 Oct 2001 19:47:11 GMT, Jeffrey Altman <jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>Cygwin on Windows does allow OpenSSH to be used there. But it does
>not address the lack of support in the SFTP protocol for handling
>the differences between Stream-Binary, Stream-ASCII, Stream-EBCDIC,
>Stream-Unicode, and various Record based file formats used on various
>operating systems. SFTP treats everything as Stream-Binary no matter
>what.
This restriction was never a problem for me. I just write the stuff the way
it should appear on the target box.
YMMV.
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: transfering files securely (encryption ?)
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In article <slrn9tsp4e.4ki.Ralf.Hildebrandt@postamt1.charite.de>,
Ralf Hildebrandt <Ralf.Hildebrandt@charite.de> wrote:
: On 29 Oct 2001 19:47:11 GMT,
: Jeffrey Altman <jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
:
: >Cygwin on Windows does allow OpenSSH to be used there. But it does
: >not address the lack of support in the SFTP protocol for handling
: >the differences between Stream-Binary, Stream-ASCII, Stream-EBCDIC,
: >Stream-Unicode, and various Record based file formats used on various
: >operating systems. SFTP treats everything as Stream-Binary no matter
: >what.
:
: This restriction was never a problem for me. I just write the stuff the
: way it should appear on the target box.
: YMMV.
:
It might indeed. Lots of tools work for simple cases but not in the
general case. There is a good reason that FTP distinguishes between text-
and binary-mode transfer. FTP was designed in the days of computing
diversity, to interoperate between any pair of computers (the n*n problem)
no matter how their internal file representations differ.
If you only use platforms whose file semantics are all the same, then of
course scp "meets your needs". But from that we can not infer that scp
meets everybody's needs.
Let's look at what happens when you transfer all files in binary mode:
. Sending C source code from DOS or Windows to Unix. You can't compile
it any more because most C compilers do not like CRLF's. Silly and
stupid, we can all agree, but still a fact.
. Sending any text file from Unix to DOS or Windows. You get the
stairstep effect, e.g. when viewing or printing.
These are trivial problems, yet nevertheless so many of today's computer
users are baffled by them that they flood the newsgroups with cries for
help. But let's look at some nontrivial examples:
. Transferring a Unix ASCII text file to an IBM mainframe, which doesn't
use ASCII. It becomes total, incomprehensible garbage. Ditto in the
reverse direction.
. Transferring a text file between a record-oriented file system and a
stream-oriented file system. The record boundaries are lost or turned
into garbage characters.
. Transferring text in (say) German from DOS or Windows to Unix. The
Umlaute become garbage.
. Transferring text in (say) Russian from DOS or Windows to Unix. The
entire text becomes garbage.
Good tools handle not only trivial cases but the general case as well.
Good file-transfer tools follow well-established principals of network
citizenship by not putting proprietary formats on the wire but rather,
always converting to a common intermediate representation for transport.
This includes, for text-mode file transfer, both record format and
character set.
Of course it is easy to say that IBM mainframes, VMS, and so on "don't
matter". This is a dangerous attitude. Monopolies are bad; diversity is
good. Safety and robustness spring from diversity. If you need convincing,
look at the current situation with security and viruses.
- Frank
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <3BDEC762.486D2DCE@boeing.com>,
Robert Gilster <robert.l.gilster@boeing.com> wrote:
: Frank da Cruz wrote:
: > ...
: > Good tools handle not only trivial cases but the general case as well.
: > Good file-transfer tools follow well-established principals of network
: > citizenship by not putting proprietary formats on the wire but rather,
: > always converting to a common intermediate representation for transport.
: > This includes, for text-mode file transfer, both record format and
: > character set. ...
:
: Yes but do those "Good" tools handle those above situations consistently?
:
That would be a measure of how good they are.
: I would hazard a guess that until computer system architecture converges...
:
They never will, not as long as they grow from a market economy, at least
not barring world domination by a monopoly too powerful to stop. But that's
not likely to happen.
: ... the above situations are going to give anyone heartburn.
:
They don't need to.
: What happens when programs like `tar` come into play. What
: happens to the above situations when the user decides to zip the file
: prior to transmit, then perhaps the transfer won't mangle the file (or
: perhaps it will).
:
Zip and tar archives push the problem downstream. We transfer them in
binary mode, obviously, but if you moved a DOS or Windows ZIP archive
containing a mixture of binary and text files to Unix, you're going to have
problems when you unzip it on Unix. On the other hand, if you transfer the
component files directly with a "good" tool, you won't. See, for example:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit3.html#x4
: The whole topic is extremely (and unnecessarily) vague.
:
I wouldn't say "unnecessarily". Diversity happens. Aggravating, and
sometimes dangerous, things happen when you ignore it. Even worse things
would happen if computer/software/file-system architectures all converged
on a single universal model.
: I guess that's no excuse to ignore the problem or throw up your
: hands and let it do what it will.
:
Or deal with it, as "good" tools do.
- Frank
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From: Anish A Patankar <patankar@acsu.buffalo.edu>
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Yes its a computer with Linux operating system.
The scanner is attached to its serial port.
Thanks.
On 29 Oct 2001, Frank da Cruz wrote:
> In article <Pine.SOL.4.30.0110291554450.5079-100000@phaet.cedar.buffalo.edu>,
> Anish A Patankar <patankar@acsu.buffalo.edu> wrote:
> :
> : But how do i start kermit protocol on a serial device.. i start the kermit
> : on my local mc on which the device is attached, but how do i initiate a
> : binary JPEG file image transfer using kermit protocol transfer with the
> : serial device..so that i can use receive , send etc..
> :
> Nobody could answer that question without knowing what the device is on
> the other end of the cable. Is it a computer? If so, what operating
> system?
>
> - Frank
>
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In article <Pine.SOL.4.30.0110311104100.5902-100000@phaet.cedar.buffalo.edu>,
Anish A Patankar <patankar@acsu.buffalo.edu> wrote:
: On 29 Oct 2001, Frank da Cruz wrote:
: > In article
: > <Pine.SOL.4.30.0110291554450.5079-100000@phaet.cedar.buffalo.edu>,
: > Anish A Patankar <patankar@acsu.buffalo.edu> wrote:
: > : But how do i start kermit protocol on a serial device.. i start the
: > : kermit on my local mc on which the device is attached, but how do i
: > : initiate a binary JPEG file image transfer using kermit protocol
: > : transfer with the serial device..so that i can use receive , send etc..
: > :
: > Nobody could answer that question without knowing what the device is on
: > the other end of the cable. Is it a computer? If so, what operating
: > system?
:
: Yes its a computer with Linux operating system.
: The scanner is attached to its serial port.
:
I can only grope in the dark and guess what you mean. Do you have two
computers with a Kermit program on each one? And a file created by the
scanner that you want to transfer from one computer to the other? If so,
it's a straightforward use of Kermit: Start Kermit on A, Make the connection
from A to B, log in to B, start Kermit on B, transfer the file. If you
don't know how to do that, consult the documentation for each Kermit program.
If you don't have a Kermit program on both computers, visit the Kermit Project
website to see how to get them:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/
Or... are you trying to "capture" the incoming scanner bytes from the serial
port? I doubt very much that the scanner supports Kermit protocol, but I have
no way of knowing for sure. Did the scanner come with documentation? What
does the documentation say about how to get scanned material into a computer
through its serial port?
- Frank
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hello,
My application must run under Excell 97, with a VB macro that launch
a K95 session (with the command Shell()), connect to a server, launch a
K95 script to extract datas which are recovered by Excell. pfuiii !!!
Where can I find documentation about K95 scripts 'cause all I'm able to do
is to connect to the server but I don't know how to enter parameters into the
VT console.
Has anybody allready done that before and how please ..
Regards
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: I need help about K95 script
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In article <20011102091942.22747.00000922@mb-fl.aol.com>,
VISTOL <vistol@aol.com> wrote:
: My application must run under Excell 97, with a VB macro that launch
: a K95 session (with the command Shell()), connect to a server, launch a
: K95 script to extract datas which are recovered by Excell. pfuiii !!!
:
: Where can I find documentation about K95 scripts 'cause all I'm able to do
: is to connect to the server but I don't know how to enter parameters into
: the VT console.
:
Kermit 95 and C-Kermit are pretty much identical as far as the script
language is concerned. You can find tutorials here:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckututor.html
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95tutor.html
A series of case studies is presented here:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html#studies
and you can find lots of sample scripts here:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html
Of course there is also the documentation:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95tutor.html#documentation
Information about invoking K95 from VB scripts is here:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95techfaq.html#vbx
- Frank
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From: Anish A Patankar <patankar@acsu.buffalo.edu>
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>
> Or... are you trying to "capture" the incoming scanner bytes from the serial
> port? I doubt very much that the scanner supports Kermit protocol, but I have
> no way of knowing for sure. Did the scanner come with documentation? What
> does the documentation say about how to get scanned material into a computer
> through its serial port?
Yes.. unfortunately there is not much documentation available with the bar
code scanner. So i tried and used kermit for the image data transfer.
We do get bmp and tiff formats but not jpg image formats.
Also the images captured have striations. I am just wondering if these are
some characteristics that i am ghetting because of not setting right the
kermit properties ??
Thanks.
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <Pine.SOL.4.30.0111021312120.6850-100000@phaet.cedar.buffalo.edu>,
Anish A Patankar <patankar@acsu.buffalo.edu> wrote:
: > Or... are you trying to "capture" the incoming scanner bytes from the
: > serial port? I doubt very much that the scanner supports Kermit protocol,
: > but I have no way of knowing for sure. Did the scanner come with
: > documentation? What does the documentation say about how to get scanned
: > material into a computer through its serial port?
:
: Yes.. unfortunately there is not much documentation available with the bar
: code scanner. So i tried and used kermit for the image data transfer.
: We do get bmp and tiff formats but not jpg image formats.
: Also the images captured have striations. I am just wondering if these are
: some characteristics that i am ghetting because of not setting right the
: kermit properties ??
:
We can tell you how to use Kermit, but not how to use your barcode scanner.
You'll need to obtain documentation on the what options it offers for
sending its results to the computer. Ideally it would use some kind of
framing, so one could tell where a result is supposed to begin and end,
and it would take into account such things as transparency and flow control.
C-Kermit, of course, has lots of documentation. Chapter 15 of "Using
C-Kermit" covers non-protocol capturing of files.
- Frank
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Dropping DTR in OSR5
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In getting C-Kermit 8.0 ready for release:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80.html
I was testing it on SCO OSR5.0.5 and discovered that the DIAL command
didn't work:
set modem type usrobotics
set line /dev/tty1A
set speed 38400
dial 7654321
The DIAL command turns off DTR and RTS and they don't come on again.
This can be worked around by giving Kermit either of the following commands:
set dial hangup off
set modem hangup-command modem-command
Each of these prevents Kermit from trying to drop DTR for half a second
prior to dialing.
But the real problem is that when Kermit *does* try to drop DTR briefly,
it never comes back on. So I need to ask: What is the way to turn off
DTR and then turn it back on in OSR5? Currently I am using the POSIX
way:
cfgetospeed() and cfgetispeed() to get the speeds.
cfsetospeed() and cfsetispeed() to set the speed to 0.
tcsetattr() to make the speed changes take effect.
(pause)
cfsetospeed() and cfsetispeed() to restore the original speeds.
tcsetattr() to make the speed changes take effect.
The same code works fine on Linux, FreeBSD, and other platforms that use
POSIX APIs. It appears to work fine in OSR5 too: the steps before the
pause actually do work. But the steps after the pause, although they
return no error indication and do not set errno, do not in fact make DTR
and RTS come back on (as shown by the modem lights and the failure of the
modem to respond to further commands).
Speaking of modem signals, how are we supposed to read them? The TIOCMGET
ioctl() fails with error 22 ("invalid argument").
Thanks.
- Frank
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In article <9s40rp$fdh$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>But the real problem is that when Kermit *does* try to drop DTR briefly,
>it never comes back on. So I need to ask: What is the way to turn off
>DTR and then turn it back on in OSR5? Currently I am using the POSIX
>way:
>
> cfgetospeed() and cfgetispeed() to get the speeds.
> cfsetospeed() and cfsetispeed() to set the speed to 0.
> tcsetattr() to make the speed changes take effect.
> (pause)
> cfsetospeed() and cfsetispeed() to restore the original speeds.
> tcsetattr() to make the speed changes take effect.
>
>The same code works fine on Linux, FreeBSD, and other platforms that use
>POSIX APIs. It appears to work fine in OSR5 too: the steps before the
>pause actually do work. But the steps after the pause, although they
>return no error indication and do not set errno, do not in fact make DTR
>and RTS come back on (as shown by the modem lights and the failure of the
>modem to respond to further commands).
Some problems in this area were fixed in 5.0.6a. Please test on that release
and see if you still encounter this problem.
>Speaking of modem signals, how are we supposed to read them? The TIOCMGET
>ioctl() fails with error 22 ("invalid argument").
This is how I know you aren't using 5.0.6a :) TIOCMGET/TIOCMSET/etc. were
first implemented in the sio driver in that release. In earlier releases,
support for these ioctls was present only in certain 3rd party serial drivers.
John
--
John DuBois spcecdt@armory.com. KC6QKZ/AE http://www.armory.com./~spcecdt/
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Subject: Re: Dropping DTR in OSR5
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In article <3be5c667$0$439$8eec23a@newsreader.tycho.net>,
John DuBois <spcecdt@deeptht.armory.com> wrote:
: In article <9s40rp$fdh$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>,
: Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
: >But the real problem is that when Kermit *does* try to drop DTR briefly,
: >it never comes back on...
: >
: > cfgetospeed() and cfgetispeed() to get the speeds.
: > cfsetospeed() and cfsetispeed() to set the speed to 0.
: > tcsetattr() to make the speed changes take effect.
: > (pause)
: > cfsetospeed() and cfsetispeed() to restore the original speeds.
: > tcsetattr() to make the speed changes take effect.
:
: Some problems in this area were fixed in 5.0.6a. Please test on that release
: and see if you still encounter this problem.
:
Unfortunately I don't have access to a 5.0.6a system that I can dial out
from.
: >Speaking of modem signals, how are we supposed to read them? The TIOCMGET
: >ioctl() fails with error 22 ("invalid argument").
:
: This is how I know you aren't using 5.0.6a :)
:
Besides that I said I was using 5.0.5? :-) (More or less the same behavior
occurs on 5.0.2 -- the difference being that in 5.0.5 DTR and RTS both go
down and stay down; in 5.0.2 DTR and RTS both go down, DTR comes back up
but RTS does not, so the modem still won't listen to commands.)
: TIOCMGET/TIOCMSET/etc. were first implemented in the sio driver in that
: release. In earlier releases, support for these ioctls was present only in
: certain 3rd party serial drivers.
:
So is it true to say that in OSR5.0.5 and earler just plain can't hang up
a modem by any means short of closing the device and reopening it?
- Frank
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Subject: Re: Dropping DTR in OSR5
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John DuBois wrote:
> In article <9s40rp$fdh$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>,
> Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
> >But the real problem is that when Kermit *does* try to drop DTR briefly,
> >it never comes back on. So I need to ask: What is the way to turn off
> >DTR and then turn it back on in OSR5? Currently I am using the POSIX
> >way:
> >
> > cfgetospeed() and cfgetispeed() to get the speeds.
> > cfsetospeed() and cfsetispeed() to set the speed to 0.
> > tcsetattr() to make the speed changes take effect.
> > (pause)
> > cfsetospeed() and cfsetispeed() to restore the original speeds.
> > tcsetattr() to make the speed changes take effect.
> >
> >The same code works fine on Linux, FreeBSD, and other platforms that use
> >POSIX APIs. It appears to work fine in OSR5 too: the steps before the
> >pause actually do work. But the steps after the pause, although they
> >return no error indication and do not set errno, do not in fact make DTR
> >and RTS come back on (as shown by the modem lights and the failure of the
> >modem to respond to further commands).
>
> Some problems in this area were fixed in 5.0.6a. Please test on that release
> and see if you still encounter this problem.
While this is true, Frank likes to support every OS ever made. I
believe he still builds binaries for SCO Xenix. A solution which
requires users to have an OS less than a year old won't satisfy him...
The OpenServer "sio" driver doesn't implement ispeed and ospeed as
separate entities. The functions exist and the structures have all the
necessary members, but it doesn't pay attention to the input rate, only
the output rate. At least, that's how it's _intended_ to work. I
vaguely remember that you can get into trouble -- confuse the driver --
by trying to change both. This might have been one of the things fixed
in rs506a. But I think the problem can be avoided on all releases, by
only programming the output speed.
So, suppose you test with only changing ospeed, see whether that makes a
difference?
This also isn't a general solution. There are third party drivers that
slot into the same ioctls, but _do_ correctly support independent i/o
speeds. Does Kermit have any system-specific hint settings? Something
like an OpenServer-specific "set ignore-ospeed", turned on by default?
"On" is the correct default since "sio" is the most common serial driver
on OpenServer, and split-speed usage is rather uncommon.
And, if I'm wrong, you might try an even kludgier workaround (which also
might not work, but is definitely worth trying): after having performed
all the POSIXly correct incantations, i.e. after the 2nd tcsetattr() in
your pseudo-code above, force an extra open of the port:
...
tcsetattr()
if ((kludge_fd = open(the_port, O_RDONLY | O_NONBLOCK | O_NOCTTY)) >= 0)
close(kludge_fd);
I'm pretty sure this will cause "sio" to get its house in order and
raise DTR (and the close shouldn't lower it, since the other open still
exists). For debugging purposes you might need to put in a pause before
the close() to observe that DTR actually goes on -- I don't fully trust
my assertion that the close() won't lower it.
One last thing. There's a comment in the driver that implies that after
cycling the baud rate through 0, DTR might not come back up immediately;
might only come up when you output a character. I'm pretty sure this is
fixed in rs506a, but for older releases, see whether outputting a NUL
after the 2nd tcsetattr() causes DTR to wake up.
>Bela<
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In article <20011104160917.A13779@mammoth.ca.caldera.com>,
Bela Lubkin <belal@caldera.com> wrote:
: John DuBois wrote:
: > ...
: > Some problems in this area were fixed in 5.0.6a. Please test on that
: > release and see if you still encounter this problem.
:
: While this is true, Frank likes to support every OS ever made. I
: believe he still builds binaries for SCO Xenix. A solution which
: requires users to have an OS less than a year old won't satisfy him...
:
Strange but absolutely true. People still run old -- even ancient --
Unix OS's, including SCO Xenix. Doctors' offices are a good place to
look for computing antiques. I know a doctor who runs his practice from
an AT&T 3B2. The billing package only runs there, the vendor disappeared
decades ago...
: The OpenServer "sio" driver doesn't implement ispeed and ospeed as
: separate entities. The functions exist and the structures have all the
: necessary members, but it doesn't pay attention to the input rate, only
: the output rate. At least, that's how it's _intended_ to work.
:
Aha, the truth comes out... Strict POSIX on the outside, not so strict
on the inside :-)
Actually a pet peeve of mine is how latter-day SCO header files (and
most other vendors) are full of:
#if !defined(_XOPEN_SOURCE) && !defined(_POSIX_SOURCE)
to keep you from getting at anything useful -- hardware flow control, for
example. In many cases also high serial speeds. But I digress...
: I vaguely remember that you can get into trouble -- confuse the driver --
: by trying to change both. This might have been one of the things fixed in
: rs506a. But I think the problem can be avoided on all releases, by only
: programming the output speed. So, suppose you test with only changing
: ospeed, see whether that makes a difference?
:
I just tried this on 5.0.2 -- no difference. DTR and RTS go down,
but only DTR come back up.
: This also isn't a general solution. There are third party drivers that
: slot into the same ioctls, but _do_ correctly support independent i/o
: speeds. Does Kermit have any system-specific hint settings? Something
: like an OpenServer-specific "set ignore-ospeed", turned on by default?
: "On" is the correct default since "sio" is the most common serial driver
: on OpenServer, and split-speed usage is rather uncommon.
:
The third-party drivers is a land I don't have a passport for. Device
names, lockfile conventions, who knows what else. I have reams of
correspondence on this stuff, and the conclusion is always "don't touch
it". I figure if Digi or Stallion or somebody wants Kermit to support
their stuff, they'll contact me about it.
: And, if I'm wrong, you might try an even kludgier workaround (which also
: might not work, but is definitely worth trying): after having performed
: all the POSIXly correct incantations, i.e. after the 2nd tcsetattr() in
: your pseudo-code above, force an extra open of the port:
:
: ...
: tcsetattr()
: if ((kludge_fd = open(the_port, O_RDONLY | O_NONBLOCK | O_NOCTTY)) >= 0)
: close(kludge_fd);
:
: I'm pretty sure this will cause "sio" to get its house in order and
: raise DTR (and the close shouldn't lower it, since the other open still
: exists). For debugging purposes you might need to put in a pause before
: the close() to observe that DTR actually goes on -- I don't fully trust
: my assertion that the close() won't lower it.
:
In fact DTR comes back on, but RTS stays down, just as without the kludge.
The kludge does make a difference in 5.0.5, however: it makes it act like
5.0.2 (without the kludge in 5.0.5, both DTR and RTS stayed down).
: One last thing. There's a comment in the driver that implies that after
: cycling the baud rate through 0, DTR might not come back up immediately;
: might only come up when you output a character. I'm pretty sure this is
: fixed in rs506a, but for older releases, see whether outputting a NUL
: after the 2nd tcsetattr() causes DTR to wake up.
:
In 5.0.2 DTR came up anyway, but RTS does not come back up, even when you
send bytes. Ditto for 5.0.5 with and without all the above tricks.
In short there seems to be no way to do this in OSR5 prior to 5.0.6a. Hard
to believe, right? But not surprising either since I think Kermit must be
the only program that would want to momentarily drop DTR without closing the
device (and of course the problem with closing the device is that you've
lost all the myriad setups you've done on it when you reopen it).
Thanks!
- Frank
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Frank da Cruz wrote:
> In article <20011104160917.A13779@mammoth.ca.caldera.com>,
> Bela Lubkin <belal@caldera.com> wrote:
> : John DuBois wrote:
> : > ...
> : > Some problems in this area were fixed in 5.0.6a. Please test on that
> : > release and see if you still encounter this problem.
> :
> : While this is true, Frank likes to support every OS ever made. I
> : believe he still builds binaries for SCO Xenix. A solution which
> : requires users to have an OS less than a year old won't satisfy him...
> :
> Strange but absolutely true. People still run old -- even ancient --
> Unix OS's, including SCO Xenix. Doctors' offices are a good place to
> look for computing antiques. I know a doctor who runs his practice from
> an AT&T 3B2. The billing package only runs there, the vendor disappeared
> decades ago...
It's a good thing you're doing, providing support for the stragglers.
> : The OpenServer "sio" driver doesn't implement ispeed and ospeed as
> : separate entities. The functions exist and the structures have all the
> : necessary members, but it doesn't pay attention to the input rate, only
> : the output rate. At least, that's how it's _intended_ to work.
> :
> Aha, the truth comes out... Strict POSIX on the outside, not so strict
> on the inside :-)
Yep, just like every piece of software that claims adherence to any sort
of public standard...
> Actually a pet peeve of mine is how latter-day SCO header files (and
> most other vendors) are full of:
>
> #if !defined(_XOPEN_SOURCE) && !defined(_POSIX_SOURCE)
>
> to keep you from getting at anything useful -- hardware flow control, for
> example. In many cases also high serial speeds. But I digress...
The devsys engineers at SCO (and perhaps today at Caldera) believed that
if you asked for POSIX compliance, you were asking the devsys to act as
a filter to prevent you from doing anything that wasn't specified in the
POSIX standard(s) in question; i.e. you were doing primary development
on this platform and wanted to be kept away from anything that would
make your code non-portable. Most users, of course, think of these
flags as an _enabler_, "please _give_ me access to all the stuff implied
by such-and-such standard". These are radically incompatible semantics.
The OSR5 devsys defaults to an "XPG plus" mode that is intended to give
you everything in all the standards the OS supports, plus whatever local
oddities exist. Most cases where functionality is hidden behind an
ifdef like you show above, are probably bugs. They _should_ say:
#if !defined(_XOPEN_SOURCE) && !defined(_POSIX_SOURCE) || defined(_XOPEN_SOURCE_EXTENDED)
I looked through the 13 header files that match, and some need to stay
the way they are; and changing any of them would probably break the
build of various already-ported programs. So, probably shouldn't mess
with them.
> : I vaguely remember that you can get into trouble -- confuse the driver --
> : by trying to change both. This might have been one of the things fixed in
> : rs506a. But I think the problem can be avoided on all releases, by only
> : programming the output speed. So, suppose you test with only changing
> : ospeed, see whether that makes a difference?
>
> I just tried this on 5.0.2 -- no difference. DTR and RTS go down,
> but only DTR come back up.
Ok, so much for vague memories.
> : This also isn't a general solution. There are third party drivers that
> : slot into the same ioctls, but _do_ correctly support independent i/o
> : speeds. Does Kermit have any system-specific hint settings? Something
> : like an OpenServer-specific "set ignore-ospeed", turned on by default?
> : "On" is the correct default since "sio" is the most common serial driver
> : on OpenServer, and split-speed usage is rather uncommon.
>
> The third-party drivers is a land I don't have a passport for. Device
> names, lockfile conventions, who knows what else. I have reams of
> correspondence on this stuff, and the conclusion is always "don't touch
> it". I figure if Digi or Stallion or somebody wants Kermit to support
> their stuff, they'll contact me about it.
Hmmm, I would expect Kermit to just work with 3rd party drivers on OSR5.
Device names? Kermit shouldn't care -- if I tell it "let's talk on
/dev/ttyi13A" it should say "ok, boss". Lockfile convention are
something you have to work out between you and other user-level programs
(like the OS's `cu` and `uucico`), not with drivers; and the answers for
OSR5 are well known.
> : And, if I'm wrong, you might try an even kludgier workaround (which also
> : might not work, but is definitely worth trying): after having performed
> : all the POSIXly correct incantations, i.e. after the 2nd tcsetattr() in
> : your pseudo-code above, force an extra open of the port:
> :
> : ...
> : tcsetattr()
> : if ((kludge_fd = open(the_port, O_RDONLY | O_NONBLOCK | O_NOCTTY)) >= 0)
> : close(kludge_fd);
> :
> : I'm pretty sure this will cause "sio" to get its house in order and
> : raise DTR (and the close shouldn't lower it, since the other open still
> : exists). For debugging purposes you might need to put in a pause before
> : the close() to observe that DTR actually goes on -- I don't fully trust
> : my assertion that the close() won't lower it.
>
> In fact DTR comes back on, but RTS stays down, just as without the kludge.
> The kludge does make a difference in 5.0.5, however: it makes it act like
> 5.0.2 (without the kludge in 5.0.5, both DTR and RTS stayed down).
Oh well.
> : One last thing. There's a comment in the driver that implies that after
> : cycling the baud rate through 0, DTR might not come back up immediately;
> : might only come up when you output a character. I'm pretty sure this is
> : fixed in rs506a, but for older releases, see whether outputting a NUL
> : after the 2nd tcsetattr() causes DTR to wake up.
>
> In 5.0.2 DTR came up anyway, but RTS does not come back up, even when you
> send bytes. Ditto for 5.0.5 with and without all the above tricks.
>
> In short there seems to be no way to do this in OSR5 prior to 5.0.6a. Hard
and you only have John's say-so with regard to 506a...
> to believe, right? But not surprising either since I think Kermit must be
> the only program that would want to momentarily drop DTR without closing the
> device (and of course the problem with closing the device is that you've
> lost all the myriad setups you've done on it when you reopen it).
Well, no, people are asking all the time about what ioctls to use to
drop DTR momentarily. Which is why John finally implemented TIOCMGET et
al for 506a; which of course doesn't help you.
One more trick you could do -- but which does more firmly tie you to
"sio". If you're working on tty1a, open and close tty1A. That should
be sufficient to kick RTS, DTR back to sanity. And if you're working on
1A then open/close 1a. None of which is particularly pleasant. I might
also be wrong in that _opening_ might fix RTS & DTR, but closing might
screw them up again, so you would need to open and keep open the "other"
device node. (Then, next time you need to do something to force correct
RTS & DTR, close and reopen that "other" port.)
yecch.
>Bela<
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On 5 Nov 2001 01:39:05 GMT, Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>In article <20011104160917.A13779@mammoth.ca.caldera.com>,
>Bela Lubkin <belal@caldera.com> wrote:
>
>: The OpenServer "sio" driver doesn't implement ispeed and ospeed as
>: separate entities. The functions exist and the structures have all the
>: necessary members, but it doesn't pay attention to the input rate, only
>: the output rate. At least, that's how it's _intended_ to work.
>:
>Aha, the truth comes out... Strict POSIX on the outside, not so strict
>on the inside :-)
Well, it's more forgivable than you make it sound. The hardware that
sio supports won't do the split bit rate thing so it's quite reasonable
for sio to lock ispeed and ospeed together.
I have in my lap the data sheets for the 8250, 16450, 16550 chips. They
just won't do it. Split bit rates were common in the 60's and 70's but
are very uncommon in the modern world so most new silicon won't support
it, either.
>: One last thing. There's a comment in the driver that implies that after
>: cycling the baud rate through 0, DTR might not come back up immediately;
I've long considered it a spec defect that B0 describes that that DTR
is deasserted but it's never spelled out precisely when it comes back.
>I think Kermit must be the only program that would want to momentarily
>drop DTR without closing the device (and of course the problem with
Rest assureed you're not the only one. Unfortunately, it tends to be a
rather disappointed crowd...
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In article <20011104195143.B13779@mammoth.ca.caldera.com>,
Bela Lubkin <belal@caldera.com> wrote:
: ...
: The devsys engineers at SCO (and perhaps today at Caldera) believed that
: if you asked for POSIX compliance, you were asking the devsys to act as
: a filter to prevent you from doing anything that wasn't specified in the
: POSIX standard(s) in question...
:
Right. It's not a criticism of SCO; it's a criticism of POSIX. Most of
the things that communication software needs to do are forbidden by POSIX.
: Hmmm, I would expect Kermit to just work with 3rd party drivers on OSR5.
: Device names? Kermit shouldn't care -- if I tell it "let's talk on
: /dev/ttyi13A" it should say "ok, boss".
:
I don't have my notes handy at the moment, but as I recall the problem
comes when a driver supports hundreds of serial ports, thus stressing the
SCO port-naming conventions and lockfile-name-devising algorithm.
: > In fact DTR comes back on, but RTS stays down, just as without the kludge.
: > The kludge does make a difference in 5.0.5, however: it makes it act like
: > 5.0.2 (without the kludge in 5.0.5, both DTR and RTS stayed down).
:
: Oh well.
:
I tried one last trick this morning. It doesn't work either, but I don't
know why. Maybe somebody can explain it. Last night I said:
: > ...(and of course the problem with closing the device is that you've
: > lost all the myriad setups you've done on it when you reopen it).
But after posting that I realized that in the POSIX environment (unlike in
BSD or System V) everything you need to know about the port is in one place:
the attribute struct. So the following should work:
tcgetattr(ttyfd, &ttcur);
close(ttyfd);
(pause)
ttyfd = open(name,O_RDWR|O_NONBLOCK);
tcsetattr(ttyfd,TCSADRAIN,&ttcur);
Right? Well, it does work insofar as it drops DTR and RTS for the desired
interval and they both come on again. However, any write() to the reopened
device gets error 11, "Resource temporarily unavailable".
: > In short there seems to be no way to do this in OSR5 prior to 5.0.6a.
:
: and you only have John's say-so with regard to 506a...
:
At some point I'd like to get somebody who has 5.0.6a and an external modem
to build and test my working copy of C-Kermit 8.0 to see if:
. The TIOCSDTR code gets included in tthang().
. SET MODEM HANGUP-METHOD RS232 really works.
. SHOW COMM displays the modem signals.
. Kermit automatically pops back to its prompt if CD drops during a
terminal session or file transfer.
The working sources are here:
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/tar/x.tar.gz (also .Z)
(Is the big difference between 5.0.5 and 5.0.6 or between 5.0.6 and 5.0.6a?)
Ditto for Unixware 7 and Open UNIX 8.
: One more trick you could do -- but which does more firmly tie you to
: "sio". If you're working on tty1a, open and close tty1A. That should
: be sufficient to kick RTS, DTR back to sanity. And if you're working on
: 1A then open/close 1a. None of which is particularly pleasant. I might
: also be wrong in that _opening_ might fix RTS & DTR, but closing might
: screw them up again, so you would need to open and keep open the "other"
: device node. (Then, next time you need to do something to force correct
: RTS & DTR, close and reopen that "other" port.)
:
Opening the "other" port after tcsetattr() makes DTR come on but not RTS.
The behavior is the same if I close it or leave it open.
- Frank
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On Mon, 5 Nov 2001 19:17:30, Ben
<UGALVO@lyrmanu.pa.us> wrote:
> Hard Disk Auto Format
>
> Quick, pull the plug, you might save something!
Dude! That is *ugly*! :-) Good thing I don't use a web browser or
M$ LookOut to read news. Luckily this doesn't really do what it
claims and is a pretty harmless prank.
Gene <gene@eracc.hypermart.net>
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From: shifeux@hotmail.com (Shifeux)
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Hello, I am testing a kermit server script and a connection script to
that particular kermit server. I am running the kermit server on an
IBM AIX4.3.3 server and I am writing the dial script on a DG-UX
machine. The server works fine as long as I login and issue commands
manually. When I script the login however i get a "protocol error"
telling me that a "login is required". Below is a copy of the server
log.
Transaction Log: C-Kermit 8.0.200 Beta.03, 9 Sep 2001
IBM AIX 4.3
Tue Nov 6 10:33:04 2001
Remote system type: UNIX
Protocol Error: Logout ignored
In the client connection script I am trying to perform the following
routine to test for files present on the server and to get them if
they exsist.
; Scripted login/password credentials, script will check at each stage
of
; the authentication to ensure that session communications are not
lost
output remote login \%l \%p\13 ; send remote login
command to kermit server
write TRANSACTION-LOG Login Successful. \13\10\13\10
write TRANSACTION-LOG Sending request to download ** RESULTS **\13\10
; Perform a query on the host server for files called test.* The
\v(query) variable
; will be 0 if no files match and 1 if any files match.
output remote query kermit files(test.*)
; If the \v(query) value is not 0, then get the files matching test.*
if not equal "v\(query)" 0 {get test.*}
write TRANSACTION-LOG There are currently no files for transfer from
NMS.
write TRANSACTION-LOG Results successfully downloaded from NMS.\13\10
output remote logout
exit
This gives me the following error.
Communication Device: /dev/tty01
Communication Speed: 38400
Parity: none
RTT/Timeout: 15 / 15
File Type:
File Size:
Bytes so far:
...10...20...30...40...50...60...70...80...90..100
Elapsed Time: 00:00:00
Transfer Rate, CPS: 0
Window Slots: 1 of 1
Packet Type: E
Packet Count: 2
Packet Length: 14
Error Count: 0
Last Error: FAILURE: Login required
Last Message:
I don't understand where the login failure is coming from. I have
logged in properly. When i execute the exact same commands manually,
all is fine, when i script them i have this problem. Is there
something simple (or even complicated) i am missing? Could this be
something with the kermit server itself? Thanks.
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In article <336f652d.0111060809.1f3e3640@posting.google.com>,
Shifeux <shifeux@hotmail.com> wrote:
: Hello, I am testing a kermit server script and a connection script to
: that particular kermit server. I am running the kermit server on an
: IBM AIX4.3.3 server and I am writing the dial script on a DG-UX
: machine. The server works fine as long as I login and issue commands
: manually. When I script the login however i get a "protocol error"
: telling me that a "login is required". Below is a copy of the server
: log.
:
: Transaction Log: C-Kermit 8.0.200 Beta.03, 9 Sep 2001
: IBM AIX 4.3
: Tue Nov 6 10:33:04 2001
:
: Remote system type: UNIX
: Protocol Error: Logout ignored
:
: In the client connection script I am trying to perform the following
: routine to test for files present on the server and to get them if
: they exsist.
:
: ; Scripted login/password credentials, script will check at each stage of
: ; the authentication to ensure that session communications are not lost
:
: output remote login \%l \%p\13 ; send remote login
: ; command to kermit server
:
Remove "output" from this command.
: write TRANSACTION-LOG Login Successful. \13\10\13\10
:
This should be:
if failure exit 1 Server login failed
write TRANSACTION-LOG Login Successful. \13\10\13\10
: write TRANSACTION-LOG Sending request to download ** RESULTS **\13\10
:
: ; Perform a query on the host server for files called test.*
: ; The \v(query) variable will be 0 if no files match and
: ; 1 if any files match.
:
: output remote query kermit files(test.*)
:
Remove "output" from this command.
And so on, you get the idea.
- Frank
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In article <gWtomC2dEjRt-pn2-NuCFTiZt9BDh@localhost>,
ERA <era@eracc.hypermart.net> wrote:
: On Mon, 5 Nov 2001 19:17:30, Ben
: <UGALVO@lyrmanu.pa.us> wrote:
:
: > Hard Disk Auto Format
: >
: > Quick, pull the plug, you might save something!
:
: Dude! That is *ugly*! :-) Good thing I don't use a web browser or
: M$ LookOut to read news. Luckily this doesn't really do what it
: claims and is a pretty harmless prank.
:
Right. This spam was sent to every newsgroup on the planet, but of
course only showed up in unmoderated groups like this one (as far as I
know); each posting with a unique subject line. It's the price of
having an open forum.
Readers should be aware that the posting could just as easily have
done something really bad, and ERA's advice is right on: be careful
what you use to read news and email, and for that matter what Web
pages you visit, and what features you have enabled in your desktop
tools.
For a detailed if not entirely unopinionated treatment of this topic
("Safe network computing: Windows desktop"), see:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/safe.html
- Frank
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My ISP is going to stop anon-ftp access. http downloads are still allowed,
but the anon-ftp is being dropped. Most people don't care, but there is
one guy who posts Amiga code, and some of his users don't have browsers.
I thought IKSD might be a fit, but perhaps it is subject to the same need
for stringent oversight as anon-ftp.
I sort of cruised the iksd.html, but of course, I'm looking for the quick
answer ;-)
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In article <9s95jj$jgs$1@samba.rahul.net>, <dold@95.usenet.us.com> wrote:
: My ISP is going to stop anon-ftp access. http downloads are still allowed,
: but the anon-ftp is being dropped. Most people don't care, but there is
: one guy who posts Amiga code, and some of his users don't have browsers.
: I thought IKSD might be a fit, but perhaps it is subject to the same need
: for stringent oversight as anon-ftp.
: I sort of cruised the iksd.html, but of course, I'm looking for the quick
: answer ;-)
:
The quick answer is: go ahead and use it. We've had it up for nearly two
years without incident, and it has many advantages over FTP, listed here:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cuiksd.html
Of course the ISP is going to have to read:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/iksd.html
and we all know how people dislike reading, as compared to clicking on
things.
And not to talk down IKSD, but there is absolutely no reason to shut down
anonymous FTP, at least not unless you shut down FTP altogether. The
only trouble with anonymous FTP is when anonymous uploads are allowed to
an area that is also accessible for anonymous downloads. It's a simple
matter to set up your FTP service to disallow that, as we have done here.
Of course when you have a write-only anonymous upload area, a system
administrator has to monitor the incoming files and know what to do with
them. Nothing comes free any more.
For non-anonymous file transfer, of course there is also the issue of
clear-text passwords flying through the network for all to see. This is
not an issue of FTP versus IKSD versus SCP, etc, but rather an issue of
whether you have installed servers that embody security methods, as IKSD
can do, and so can FTP:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpd.html
Ditto for Telnet versus SSH.
- Frank
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I'll be releasing C-Kermit 8.0 Beta.04 (which I hope to be the final
Beta) soon, and can build it on:
. Xenix 2.3.4
. UNIX 3.2v4.2
. OSR5.0.2
. OSR5.0.6a
. Unixware 2.1.0
. Unixware 2.1.3
. Unixware 7.1.1
. Open UNIX 8.0
As you can see, there are a few holes. Does anybody have any of the
following:
. OSR5.0.4 with /bin/cc (not /udk/...)
. OSR5.0.5 with /bin/cc (not /udk/...)
. Unixware 1-point-anything
. Unixware 7.0
If so, and you'd like to help get the next C-Kermit release out to as many
SCO (Caldera) platforms as possible, please contact me by e-mail. Thanks.
Frank da Cruz
The Kermit Project
Columbia University
Email: fdc@columbia.edu
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ <-- Kermit Project website
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html <-- C-Kermit
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80.html <-- C-Kermit 8.0 Beta test
From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Nov 6 14:44:16 EST 2001
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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: No more anon-ftp
Date: 6 Nov 2001 19:20:07 GMT
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In article <9s972b$7it$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
: For non-anonymous file transfer, of course there is also the issue of
: clear-text passwords flying through the network for all to see. This is
: not an issue of FTP versus IKSD versus SCP, etc, but rather an issue of
: whether you have installed servers that embody security methods, as IKSD
: can do, and so can FTP:
:
: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpd.html
:
: Ditto for Telnet versus SSH.
:
: - Frank
Both TLS enabled FTP and IKSD allow for secure, private anonymous
access.
Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 8.0 Beta available
The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP
http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and
kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow.
From arthur.marsh@adelaide.edu.au Tue Nov 6 18:49:08 EST 2001
Article: 12942 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc
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Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 10:09:24 +1030
From: Arthur Marsh <arthur.marsh@adelaide.edu.au>
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What would one need to do with C-Kermit or K95 to get secure, private,
anonymous access to kermit.columbia.edu's IKSD?
Jeffrey Altman wrote:
> In article <9s972b$7it$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>,
> Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
> : For non-anonymous file transfer, of course there is also the issue of
> : clear-text passwords flying through the network for all to see. This is
> : not an issue of FTP versus IKSD versus SCP, etc, but rather an issue of
> : whether you have installed servers that embody security methods, as IKSD
> : can do, and so can FTP:
> :
> : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpd.html
> :
> : Ditto for Telnet versus SSH.
> :
> : - Frank
>
> Both TLS enabled FTP and IKSD allow for secure, private anonymous
> access.
>
>
> Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 8.0 Beta available
> The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP
> http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and
> kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow.
>
--
Arthur Marsh, Network Support Officer, Information Technology Services
The University of Adelaide SA 5005 Australia
Ph: +61 8 8303 6109, Mobile: +61 414 260 077
From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Nov 7 09:18:32 EST 2001
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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: No more anon-ftp
Date: 7 Nov 2001 01:04:38 GMT
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A copy of C-Kermit or K95 built with SSL/TLS support:
IKS /user:anonymous /pass:me@foo.bar kermit.columbia.edu
In article <3BE874AC.4020704@adelaide.edu.au>,
Arthur Marsh <arthur.marsh@adelaide.edu.au> wrote:
: What would one need to do with C-Kermit or K95 to get secure, private,
: anonymous access to kermit.columbia.edu's IKSD?
:
: Jeffrey Altman wrote:
:
: > In article <9s972b$7it$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>,
: > Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
: > : For non-anonymous file transfer, of course there is also the issue of
: > : clear-text passwords flying through the network for all to see. This is
: > : not an issue of FTP versus IKSD versus SCP, etc, but rather an issue of
: > : whether you have installed servers that embody security methods, as IKSD
: > : can do, and so can FTP:
: > :
: > : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpd.html
: > :
: > : Ditto for Telnet versus SSH.
: > :
: > : - Frank
: >
: > Both TLS enabled FTP and IKSD allow for secure, private anonymous
: > access.
: >
: >
: > Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 8.0 Beta available
: > The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP
: > http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and
: > kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow.
: >
:
:
: --
: Arthur Marsh, Network Support Officer, Information Technology Services
: The University of Adelaide SA 5005 Australia
: Ph: +61 8 8303 6109, Mobile: +61 414 260 077
:
Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 8.0 Beta available
The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP
http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and
kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow.
From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Nov 7 16:14:08 EST 2001
Article: 12944 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: OSR5 <sys/termio.h> (OSR5 modem signals)
Date: 7 Nov 2001 21:04:30 GMT
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In article <9s9344$4n$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>,
I <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
: (about the /bin/cc vs /udk/.../cc dichotomy)...
:
: This is a revelation. I wish I had known about these dual universes years
: ago. It probably explains much of the difficulty I've had with OSR5 all
: these years. Live and learn...
:
A volunteer at another site built the same C-Kermit version on OSR5.0.5
with /bin/cc rather than UDK. Running it locally on my own 5.0.5 system
with external modem, where I can hear the noises and see the lights, I
find that:
. The high serial speeds now show up in the "set speed ?" list.
. You can actually use them (e.g. 57600 bps).
. Modem signals are still inaccessible (TIOCMGET).
. Hanging up with DTR off/pause/on still doesn't work.
If anybody has OSR5.0.5 code that drops DTR and then turns it back on
that works (e.g. brings DTR back up after the pause and if RTS also went
down, it comes back up too), I'd sure like to see it.
Also, via remote access to 5.0.6a, I *think* I verified that hanging up by
toggling DTR works there, but I can't be certain since I couldn't monitor
the lights. However, TIOCMGET still seems problematic -- it reported that
all modem signals (DTR, DSR, RTS, CTS, RI) were off when connected to a
modem with a fully populated modem cable. Can anybody confirm or deny this?
I have no information or reports about unpatched 5.0.6.
- Frank
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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: INPUT Initialization Error
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I've asked this of Kermit support already, but though someone
here might recognize my problem.
After successfully dialing and connecting, K95 reports:
OUTPUT Initialization Error
INPUT Initialization Error
OUTPUT Initialization Error
INPUT Initialization Error
OUTPUT Initialization Error
INPUT Initialization Error
Then, it terminates the connection. I working on scoring a
debug.log, but I'm not sure I can interpret it.
The odd thing is that this has begun on a couple of sites that
have successfully connect a number of times. It makes we wonder
if something has changed on the server side?
Thanks.
From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Nov 8 09:34:25 EST 2001
Article: 12947 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc
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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: INPUT Initialization Error
Date: 8 Nov 2001 14:00:18 GMT
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OUTPUT and INPUT initialization errors occur when you
attempt to perform an OUTPUT or INPUT when there is no
connection.
The order of events is the connection has been lost, therefore
you have initialization errors. Not there are initialization
errors therefore the connection is terminated.
The debug log will show this. As for interpretting the debug log,
there is no need for you to do so. Simply e-mail it to
kermit-support.
More than likely the phone lines are unreliable and the connection
is being lost. Your scripts do not check the success and failure
of each command, therefore, once the failure initially occurs all
of the subsequent commands fail in turn until the end of your
script is reached where you close the non-existent connection.
In article <9scp19217r7@enews2.newsguy.com>,
Grinder <grinder@no.spam.maam.com> wrote:
: I've asked this of Kermit support already, but though someone
: here might recognize my problem.
:
: After successfully dialing and connecting, K95 reports:
:
: OUTPUT Initialization Error
: INPUT Initialization Error
: OUTPUT Initialization Error
: INPUT Initialization Error
: OUTPUT Initialization Error
: INPUT Initialization Error
:
: Then, it terminates the connection. I working on scoring a
: debug.log, but I'm not sure I can interpret it.
:
: The odd thing is that this has begun on a couple of sites that
: have successfully connect a number of times. It makes we wonder
: if something has changed on the server side?
:
: Thanks.
:
:
:
Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 8.0 Beta available
The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP
http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and
kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow.
From spcecdt@deeptht.armory.com Thu Nov 8 09:38:01 EST 2001
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Subject: Re: OSR5 <sys/termio.h> (OSR5 modem signals)
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From: spcecdt@deeptht.armory.com (John DuBois)
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In article <9sc7ku$81i$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>If anybody has OSR5.0.5 code that drops DTR and then turns it back on
>that works (e.g. brings DTR back up after the pause and if RTS also went
>down, it comes back up too), I'd sure like to see it.
I think you'll just need to close the device, open it, & re-initialize it.
>However, TIOCMGET still seems problematic -- it reported that
>all modem signals (DTR, DSR, RTS, CTS, RI) were off when connected to a
>modem with a fully populated modem cable. Can anybody confirm or deny this?
Well, I can tell you than on a stock 5.0.6a system and using a standard (sio)
port, this code:
#define _SVID3
#include <sys/termio.h>
#include <stdio.h>
main()
{
int bits;
if (ioctl(0,TIOCMGET,&bits)) {
perror("TIOCMGET");
exit(1);
}
else {
printf("MGET %x CTS=%d DSR=%d RNG=%d CAR=%d\n", bits,
!!(bits & TIOCM_CTS), !!(bits & TIOCM_DSR), !!(bits & TIOCM_RNG),
!!(bits & TIOCM_CAR));
exit(0);
}
}
shows exactly what the lines are set to, for example:
# tiocmget < /dev/tty2a
MGET 120 CTS=1 DSR=1 RNG=0 CAR=0
John
--
John DuBois spcecdt@armory.com. KC6QKZ/AE http://www.armory.com./~spcecdt/
From richNOgSPAM@plustechnologies.com Thu Nov 8 09:38:08 EST 2001
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Frank da Cruz wrote:
>
> In article <gWtomC2dEjRt-pn2-NuCFTiZt9BDh@localhost>,
> ERA <era@eracc.hypermart.net> wrote:
> : On Mon, 5 Nov 2001 19:17:30, Ben
> : <UGALVO@lyrmanu.pa.us> wrote:
> :
> : > Hard Disk Auto Format
> : >
> : > Quick, pull the plug, you might save something!
> :
> : Dude! That is *ugly*! :-) Good thing I don't use a web browser or
> : M$ LookOut to read news. Luckily this doesn't really do what it
> : claims and is a pretty harmless prank.
> :
> Right. This spam was sent to every newsgroup on the planet, but of
> course only showed up in unmoderated groups like this one (as far as I
> know); each posting with a unique subject line. It's the price of
> having an open forum.
>
> Readers should be aware that the posting could just as easily have
> done something really bad, and ERA's advice is right on: be careful
> what you use to read news and email, and for that matter what Web
> pages you visit, and what features you have enabled in your desktop
> tools.
>
> For a detailed if not entirely unopinionated treatment of this topic
> ("Safe network computing: Windows desktop"), see:
>
> http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/safe.html
>
> - Frank
These messages are part of an ongoing flood attack on the
news:news.admin.net-abuse.email newsgroup (a focal point for the
war on spam.) Not only is NANAE being directly flooded by
posts with gibberish headers and contents, but such messages are
being sent into other newsgroups as well with Followup-To: set to NANAE,
so that all those "What the hell is this???" responses from other groups
contribute to the attack. The ominous content is a new thing,
however...
Rich
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From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Nov 8 10:01:02 EST 2001
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: OSR5 <sys/termio.h> (OSR5 modem signals)
Date: 8 Nov 2001 14:50:28 GMT
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In article <3bea05eb$0$79559$8eec23a@newsreader.tycho.net>,
John DuBois <spcecdt@deeptht.armory.com> wrote:
: In article <9sc7ku$81i$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>,
: Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
: >If anybody has OSR5.0.5 code that drops DTR and then turns it back on
: >that works (e.g. brings DTR back up after the pause and if RTS also went
: >down, it comes back up too), I'd sure like to see it.
:
: I think you'll just need to close the device, open it, & re-initialize it.
:
As noted in an earlier posting, when I tried that on my 505 system:
tcgetattr(ttyfd, &ttcur);
close(ttyfd);
(pause)
ttyfd = open(name,O_RDWR|O_NONBLOCK);
tcsetattr(ttyfd,TCSADRAIN,&ttcur);
DTR and RTS drop for the desired interval and they both come on again.
However, any write() to the reopened device gets error 11, "Resource
temporarily unavailable". Did I miss a step? Or is this a difference
between 5.0.6a and earlier OSR5s?
: >However, TIOCMGET still seems problematic -- it reported that
: >all modem signals (DTR, DSR, RTS, CTS, RI) were off when connected to a
: >modem with a fully populated modem cable. Can anybody confirm or deny this?
:
: Well, I can tell you than on a stock 5.0.6a system and using a standard (sio)
: port, this code:
:
: #define _SVID3
:
Aha, maybe that was the missing piece. Thanks.
- Frank
From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Nov 8 14:55:37 EST 2001
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: set stop-bits 2
Date: 8 Nov 2001 19:51:22 GMT
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In article <4e395765.0111081122.1764c435@posting.google.com>,
adrian <adrian@fangorn.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: I'm using C-Kermit as a script interpreter to communicate with
: a programmable radio that requires 2 stop bits. Using the
: QNX-nto+ version of C-Kermit 7.0.197, I found that setting
: 2 stop bits had no effect.
:
: I've looked at the source for C-Kermit 8 (C-Kermit 7 wouldn't
: build on QNX 6)...
:
Because C-Kermit 7 predates QNX 6? (However it was buildable
on Neutrino 2 or whatever it was called.) Anyway version 8 is
the one we're interested in now.
: ... and found that it's only possible to set 2
: stop bits if hardware parity is also selected, and that forces
: me to choose a valid or a fixed parity - I can't choose
: 'no parity'. In other words, 8n2 isn't possible.
:
: ...
:
: Is there some reason why I shouldn't change the code to
: select 2 stop bits and no parity ?
:
No. If that happens, it's not intentional. I'll contact you
offline and we'll sort this out.
Thanks for the report.
- Frank
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hello again,
nobody could drop me even a single link or so ..
My question was apparently too technical, I'm sorry. I thought it was nothing
compared with other topics but I was wrong. Or could it be that nobody wanted
to answer to my request ? No, what am I saying, it's impossible, Internet is a
community, Kermit user is one of the friendliest community of the Internet,
sure, so again I'm wrong..
Such a shame no ??
Sorry again and long live Kermit !!!
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: I need help about K95 script
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In article <20011108170513.15676.00001812@mb-ms.aol.com>,
VISTOL <vistol@aol.com> wrote:
: hello again,
:
: nobody could drop me even a single link or so ..
:
I replied to your post 25 minutes after you sent it.
: My question was apparently too technical, I'm sorry. I thought it was
: nothing compared with other topics but I was wrong. Or could it be that
: nobody wanted to answer to my request ? No, what am I saying, it's
: impossible, Internet is a community, Kermit user is one of the friendliest
: community of the Internet, sure, so again I'm wrong..
:
: Such a shame no ??
:
: Sorry again and long live Kermit !!!
:
Here, again is my reply:
In article <20011102091942.22747.00000922@mb-fl.aol.com>,
VISTOL <vistol@aol.com> wrote:
: My application must run under Excell 97, with a VB macro that launch
: a K95 session (with the command Shell()), connect to a server, launch a
: K95 script to extract datas which are recovered by Excell. pfuiii !!!
:
: Where can I find documentation about K95 scripts 'cause all I'm able to do
: is to connect to the server but I don't know how to enter parameters into
: the VT console.
:
Kermit 95 and C-Kermit are pretty much identical as far as the script
language is concerned. You can find tutorials here:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckututor.html
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95tutor.html
A series of case studies is presented here:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html#studies
and you can find lots of sample scripts here:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html
Of course there is also the documentation:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95tutor.html#documentation
Information about invoking K95 from VB scripts is here:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95techfaq.html#vbx
- Frank
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Ok, I think I nearly have this whipped. Your advice has been
great. If you're up for a bit more, I could stand a sanity
check.
In particular, I'm unsure about the order of the modem
configuration commands. I noticed in the K96custom.ini that
gets installed, that it first sets modem type to "none," before
applying the tapi parameters retrieved during setup. I guessed
this was because setting values could trigger code that would
act on an incomplete configuration. By declaring "none," the
logic would bypass those reactions?
This is the top part of my script, does it look reasonable?
Thanks again for your efforts.
______________________
define \%n 1-877-208-6005
define \%u xxx
define \%p xxx
define \%m Creative_Modem_Blaster_Flash56_PCI_DI5630-4
define \%t tapi
define \%a COM3
define \%b 115200
define \%c on
define \%d off
; begin
boilerplate - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - -
; Show extra status information
log debug debug.log
log session session.log
; set dial display on
; Configure the modem
if def \%t { set modem type \%t }
if def \%a { set port \%a }
if def \%b { set speed \%b }
if def \%c { set carrier-watch \%c }
; Additional TAPI configuration
if def \%m {
if def \%d { set tapi modem-dialing \%d }
set tapi line \%m
if failure {
echo \13\10ERROR: could configure modem\13\10
goto HANGUP
}
}
:DIALMCK
dial \%n
if failure {
echo \13\10ERROR: dial unsuccessful\13\10
goto HANGUP
}
pause 5
; attempt login ...
From spcecdt@deeptht.armory.com Fri Nov 9 09:29:30 EST 2001
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In article <9se63k$kqo$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
> ttyfd = open(name,O_RDWR|O_NONBLOCK);
> tcsetattr(ttyfd,TCSADRAIN,&ttcur);
>
>... any write() to the reopened device gets error 11, "Resource
>temporarily unavailable". Did I miss a step? Or is this a difference
>between 5.0.6a and earlier OSR5s?
You missed a step (the same one that a lot of app writers did); it's one that
didn't trip anyone up until tty behaviour was made POSIX-correct in 5.0.0.
POSIX requires that O_NONBLOCK make tty io non-blocking, which is rarely what
you want - O_NONBLOCK is almost always used just to allow opening of a
modem-control line without DCD being asserted. After opening the device, you
need to turn off non-blocking mode with something like:
tcsetattr CLOCAL, else the following will disable IO until DCD is
asserted.
if ((flags = fcntl (ttyfd, F_GETFL)) == -1)
error...
flags &= ~O_NONBLOCK;
if (fcntl (ttyfd, F_SETFL, flags) == -1)
error...
I don't know why you didn't encounter this in earlier 5.0, and you also should
not encounter it until you've written enough data to fill up the tty output
buffer (that's when non-blocking mode causes writes to start failing with errno
11). But in any case, my guess is that adding the above will resolve your
problem.
John
--
John DuBois spcecdt@armory.com. KC6QKZ/AE http://www.armory.com./~spcecdt/
From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Nov 9 09:29:33 EST 2001
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Subject: Re: OSR5 <sys/termio.h> (OSR5 modem signals)
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In article <3beb40ea$0$79556$8eec23a@newsreader.tycho.net>,
John DuBois <spcecdt@deeptht.armory.com> wrote:
: In article <9se63k$kqo$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>,
: Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
: > ttyfd = open(name,O_RDWR|O_NONBLOCK);
: > tcsetattr(ttyfd,TCSADRAIN,&ttcur);
: >
: >... any write() to the reopened device gets error 11, "Resource
: >temporarily unavailable". Did I miss a step? Or is this a difference
: >between 5.0.6a and earlier OSR5s?
:
: You missed a step (the same one that a lot of app writers did); it's one that
: didn't trip anyone up until tty behaviour was made POSIX-correct in 5.0.0.
:
Let's hear it for political correctess.
I stumbled on this trick (setting CLOCAL) yesterday independently, and now SCO
5.0.5 Kermit can hang up a modem by momentarily dropping DTR without wedging
itself afterwards. I suppose it should have been obvious -- after all, if
you do hang up the modem successfully, you can't really expect carrier to be
on afterwards.
Thanks! Now on to the next thing (modem servers...)
- Frank
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In article <9sfc9v025s2@enews4.newsguy.com>,
Grinder <grinder@no.spam.maam.com> wrote:
: Ok, I think I nearly have this whipped. Your advice has been
: great. If you're up for a bit more, I could stand a sanity
: check.
:
: In particular, I'm unsure about the order of the modem
: configuration commands. I noticed in the K96custom.ini that
: gets installed, that it first sets modem type to "none," before
: applying the tapi parameters retrieved during setup. I guessed
: this was because setting values could trigger code that would
: act on an incomplete configuration. By declaring "none," the
: logic would bypass those reactions?
:
No, that's backwards. The order should be:
set modem type xxxx ; Choose modem type
set modem ... ; Change default settings for that modem if necessary
set port com3 ; DOS-like port
if fail ... ; Check
SET MODEM TYPE first, other SET MODEM commands next, SET PORT after that.
Use SHOW COMM and SHOW MODEM to check the results. In this case Kermit
always does the dialing based on the rules in its built-in modem database
(modem types are listed with "set modem type ?").
If you're using a TAPI device (modem name from the Modems folder in the
Windows Control Panel) instead of a DOS-like port:
set port tapi ; Choose first or only TAPI device (port + modem)
if fail ... ; Check
set modem ... ; Change any modem settings (SHOW MODEM)
When using a TAPI device you can also choose whether Kermit issues the
dialing commands:
set tapi modem-dialing off
or TAPI (the Microsoft modem driver) does it:
set tapi modem-dialing on
You can also give SET DIAL commands to change dialing defaults (SHOW DIAL),
but it shouldn't matter where you put them.
There are no rules about whether to use a DOS-like COM port or a TAPI device,
or to use TAPI or Kermit modem dialing, besides the obvious rule of thumb:
If one way doesn't work, try another; repeat until done.
Other troubleshooting items useful for dialing include:
. SET DIAL DISPLAY ON (lets you watch the Kermit/Modem dialog)
. SET DIAL HANGUP OFF (don't hang up prior to dialing)
Or when DIAL HANGUP is ON, choose the hangup method:
. SET MODEM HANGUP-METHOD RS232-SIGNAL
. SET MODEM HANGUP-METHOD MODEM-COMMAND
This isn't science; we're trying to make a mystery work with a puzzle.
Try different combinations until you get one that works. When you run out
of options, ask for help.
- Frank
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I do get the point. I found that out right after I posted the message.
Thanks for the help. I have aquestion about starting and stopping the
kermit server itself. I execute the following command
wermit server_script.ksc 1> /dev/null &
to start the kermit in server mode. Now how can I end the kermit
server mode with out actually killing off the processes. The only way
I have been able to stop the server is finding the PID and kill -9 the
PID. But that bothers me. I would like to be able to set the server to
run via the cron and then turn it off via another cron entry? Is this
possible?
Thanks
fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote in message news:<9s947c$1kc$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>...
> In article <336f652d.0111060809.1f3e3640@posting.google.com>,
> Shifeux <shifeux@hotmail.com> wrote:
> : Hello, I am testing a kermit server script and a connection script to
> : that particular kermit server. I am running the kermit server on an
> : IBM AIX4.3.3 server and I am writing the dial script on a DG-UX
> : machine. The server works fine as long as I login and issue commands
> : manually. When I script the login however i get a "protocol error"
> : telling me that a "login is required". Below is a copy of the server
> : log.
> :
> : Transaction Log: C-Kermit 8.0.200 Beta.03, 9 Sep 2001
> : IBM AIX 4.3
> : Tue Nov 6 10:33:04 2001
> :
> : Remote system type: UNIX
> : Protocol Error: Logout ignored
> :
> : In the client connection script I am trying to perform the following
> : routine to test for files present on the server and to get them if
> : they exsist.
> :
> : ; Scripted login/password credentials, script will check at each stage of
> : ; the authentication to ensure that session communications are not lost
> :
> : output remote login \%l \%p\13 ; send remote login
> : ; command to kermit server
> :
> Remove "output" from this command.
>
> : write TRANSACTION-LOG Login Successful. \13\10\13\10
> :
> This should be:
>
> if failure exit 1 Server login failed
> write TRANSACTION-LOG Login Successful. \13\10\13\10
>
> : write TRANSACTION-LOG Sending request to download ** RESULTS **\13\10
> :
> : ; Perform a query on the host server for files called test.*
> : ; The \v(query) variable will be 0 if no files match and
> : ; 1 if any files match.
> :
> : output remote query kermit files(test.*)
> :
> Remove "output" from this command.
>
> And so on, you get the idea.
>
> - Frank
From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Nov 9 10:45:02 EST 2001
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Subject: Re: Kermit Connection Script
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In article <336f652d.0111090733.6bcdb528@posting.google.com>,
Shifeux <shifeux@hotmail.com> wrote:
: I do get the point. I found that out right after I posted the message.
: Thanks for the help. I have aquestion about starting and stopping the
: kermit server itself. I execute the following command
:
: wermit server_script.ksc 1> /dev/null &
:
: to start the kermit in server mode. Now how can I end the kermit
: server mode with out actually killing off the processes.
:
The client can do this by giving a FINISH command. If no clients are
currently connected, you could do this yourself.
: The only way I have been able to stop the server is finding the PID and
: kill -9 the PID. But that bothers me. I would like to be able to set the
: server to run via the cron and then turn it off via another cron entry? Is
: this possible?
:
Presently there is no special signal you can send to it other than KILL or
HUP. If you use "kill -HUP", at least then Kermit can catch this signal and
clean up before terminating.
Is your application for Internet connections? Maybe instead of a Kermit
server under cron, you should be looking at an Internet Kermit Service under
inetd:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cuiksd.html <-- user doc
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/iksd.html <-- administrator doc
- Frank
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Hi, I hope this is the right group to ask this question (if not, a pointer
in the right direction would be appreciated)
C-Kermit allows me to send hex code out the serial port with the OUTPUT
\xnn command. I am looking for a way to receive hex strings, find a match
and do a task based on what hex string was received. I tried doing this
with MINPUT and the \xnn notation but Kermit is just splitting it's gut at
my feable attempts at this.
How would I go about testing for lets say two hex strings \xaa\xab and
\x3e\x12 and depending on which string it matches branching to a task list.
Thanks in advance for any help with this.
Jens
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <I72H7.79555$Gh2.24053794@news2.rdc1.bc.home.com>,
jens <psh@home.com> wrote:
: C-Kermit allows me to send hex code out the serial port with the OUTPUT
: \xnn command. I am looking for a way to receive hex strings, find a match
: and do a task based on what hex string was received. I tried doing this
: with MINPUT and the \xnn notation but Kermit is just splitting it's gut at
: my feable attempts at this.
:
: How would I go about testing for lets say two hex strings \xaa\xab and
: \x3e\x12 and depending on which string it matches branching to a task list.
:
MINPUT should do it:
minput 10 {\xaa\xab} {\x3e\x12}
switch \v(minput) {
:0, echo Timed out
break
:1, echo Got AAAB
break
:2, echo 3E12
break
}
Replace the ECHO commands with whatever actions you want to take in each
case.
- Frank
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I've had a number of difficulties in implementing a K95-enabled
application recently, and just wanted to thank the Kermit team
for their support. It's been a joy to have access to those
individuals who know the application so well.
We went to K95 when a service provider (using C-Kermit)
suggested we use MSDOS Kermit. Although that client would work
in some situations, it just was not reasonable to use with
WinModems--a condition I have to work with. I will vigorously
encourage this service provider to make the move to K95 for the
benefit of their other consumers.
Thanks again Frank and Jeff.
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jens wrote:
> C-Kermit allows me to send hex code out the serial port with the OUTPUT
> \xnn command. I am looking for a way to receive hex strings, find a match
> and do a task based on what hex string was received. I tried doing this
> with MINPUT and the \xnn notation but Kermit is just splitting it's gut at
> my feable attempts at this.
> How would I go about testing for lets say two hex strings \xaa\xab and
> \x3e\x12 and depending on which string it matches branching to a task
> list.
I received lots of help from Frank da Cruz (thanks again !!) and most of my
testing for hex characters is working. It seems though that \x00 (nul) is a
special case for some reason and testing for it does not succeed. Does
anyone know a work-around for this ?
As an example, my program might receive the following hex string:
ab 04 cf 69 e8 d5 5c ab 03 93 00 00 bf
and based on that needs to send out a reply.
Thanks
Jens
From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun Nov 11 14:14:08 EST 2001
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Hex operations in Kermit
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In article <XIzH7.83484$Gh2.25452683@news2.rdc1.bc.home.com>,
jens <psh@home.com> wrote:
: > C-Kermit allows me to send hex code out the serial port with the OUTPUT
: > \xnn command. I am looking for a way to receive hex strings, find a match
: > and do a task based on what hex string was received. I tried doing this
: > with MINPUT and the \xnn notation but Kermit is just splitting it's gut at
: > my feable attempts at this.
: > How would I go about testing for lets say two hex strings \xaa\xab and
: > \x3e\x12 and depending on which string it matches branching to a task
: > list.
:
: I received lots of help from Frank da Cruz (thanks again !!) and most of my
: testing for hex characters is working. It seems though that \x00 (nul) is a
: special case for some reason and testing for it does not succeed. Does
: anyone know a work-around for this ?
:
: As an example, my program might receive the following hex string:
: ab 04 cf 69 e8 d5 5c ab 03 93 00 00 bf
: and based on that needs to send out a reply.
:
C-Kermit is not called C-Kermit for nothing :-) It is a burden of C
programs that character strings are terminated by NUL bytes. To make a
C program "NUL-Clean" requires considerable effort, including foresaking the
use of all library and system calls that take string arguments. Too bad C
does not include strings as a native data type; if it had done so from the
beginning, we'd probably be landing humans on distant planets by now rather
than futzing with memory leaks, buffer exploits, etc, but I digress.
The inability to deal with NUL bytes transparently in INPUT and OUTPUT
commands is a well-documented restriction. There are ways to get around
it, described in the manual on pages 421-422 but they aren't pretty,
especially on the INPUT side.
- Frank
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Frank da Cruz wrote:
> The inability to deal with NUL bytes transparently in INPUT and OUTPUT
> commands is a well-documented restriction. There are ways to get around
> it, described in the manual on pages 421-422 but they aren't pretty,
> especially on the INPUT side.
<sigh> I knew that there had to be a catch 22 somewhere in this ....
I will try and see if I can work around it by testing portions of the data
string rather than the whole thing- could be that most/all are unique
somehow even without the nul characters.
Thanks again for all your help !!!
Jens
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Subject: ZModem Problems
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Hello, I am using C-Kermit 7 to connect to a remote host which
supports the zmodem transfer protocol. I am able to transfer files
easily using interactive mode but I get the following error using my
script after issuing a receive * command:
Readline:TIMEOUT
Retry 0: Got TIMEOUT
This "timeout" seems to be the same time (after 10 seconds) regardless
of what I set my client timeout to. My modem settings are as follows.
set file type binary
set proto z {rz} {rz -a} {sz %s} {sz -a %s}
set exit on-disconnect on
set exit warning off
; set macro error on
set receive timeout 94
set send timeout 15 dynamic
set modem type usrobotics
set line /dev/tty01
set speed 38400
set flow xon/xoff
utput \13
output \%s\13
input 20 {Username:}
output USER\13
input 20 {Password:}
output PASS\13
input 20 {Transfer id:}
output PASSAGAIN\13
input 20 {Enter choice:}
output 2\13
receive *
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Nov 14 16:48:59 EST 2001
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In article <336f652d.0111141329.b5d3ad@posting.google.com>,
Shifeux <shifeux@hotmail.com> wrote:
: Hello, I am using C-Kermit 7 to connect to a remote host which
: supports the zmodem transfer protocol. I am able to transfer files
: easily using interactive mode...
:
You mean, when running Zmodem software as an external protocol
over a Kermit connection?
: ... but I get the following error using my
: script after issuing a receive * command:
:
: Readline:TIMEOUT
: Retry 0: Got TIMEOUT
:
These are messages from the Zmodem software.
: This "timeout" seems to be the same time (after 10 seconds) regardless
: of what I set my client timeout to. My modem settings are as follows.
:
: set file type binary
: set proto z {rz} {rz -a} {sz %s} {sz -a %s}
: set exit on-disconnect on
: set exit warning off
: ; set macro error on
: set receive timeout 94 <--
: set send timeout 15 dynamic <--
: set modem type usrobotics
: set line /dev/tty01
: set speed 38400
: set flow xon/xoff
:
The marked lines are effective only for Kermit transfers.
SET FLOW XON/XOFF might (or might not) interfere with Zmodem protocol.
: utput \13
:
Missing "o".
: output \%s\13
:
: input 20 {Username:}
: output USER\13
:
: input 20 {Password:}
: output PASS\13
:
: input 20 {Transfer id:}
: output PASSAGAIN\13
:
: input 20 {Enter choice:}
: output 2\13
:
You're not checking any of these INPUTs for failure. Thus even if you
script doesn't work, it will still start Zmodem in receive mode, and of
Zmodem will time out if there is no connection.
: receive *
What's the "*"? This tells Kermit to save the incoming file under the
name "*" (literally). You probably didn't mean that. Just leave it off.
- Frank
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> You mean, when running Zmodem software as an external protocol
> over a Kermit connection?
I think so, I am using the kermit client to connect to a remote host
which only supports the zmodem transfer protocol. I was under the
impression that kermit has its own way of handling the zmodem protocol
by the set proto z statement at the begining of my script?
> : ... but I get the following error using my
> : script after issuing a receive * command:
> :
> : Readline:TIMEOUT
> : Retry 0: Got TIMEOUT
> :
> These are messages from the Zmodem software.
Thats what I thought, the transfer works sometimes and other times it
does not. My problem is that I would need some way to trap that error
so the script does not halt. Any ideas?
> : This "timeout" seems to be the same time (after 10 seconds) regardless
> : of what I set my client timeout to. My modem settings are as follows.
> :
> : set file type binary
> : set proto z {rz} {rz -a} {sz %s} {sz -a %s}
> : set exit on-disconnect on
> : set exit warning off
> : ; set macro error on
> : set receive timeout 94 <--
> : set send timeout 15 dynamic <--
> : set modem type usrobotics
> : set line /dev/tty01
> : set speed 38400
> : set flow xon/xoff
> :
> The marked lines are effective only for Kermit transfers.
> SET FLOW XON/XOFF might (or might not) interfere with Zmodem protocol.
i turned it off and tested it and it had no effect on the timeouts.
> : utput \13
> Missing "o".
:-) my copy/paste was a little bad, the "o" is there
> : output \%s\13
> :
> : input 20 {Username:}
> : output USER\13
> :
> : input 20 {Password:}
> : output PASS\13
> :
> : input 20 {Transfer id:}
> : output PASSAGAIN\13
> :
> : input 20 {Enter choice:}
> : output 2\13
> :
> You're not checking any of these INPUTs for failure. Thus even if you
> script doesn't work, it will still start Zmodem in receive mode, and of
> Zmodem will time out if there is no connection.
I did have "if failure timeout" to catch this but i was experimenting
due to the timeout errors i was receiving. Made no difference either
way for me. The same timeout occurs.
> : receive *
>
> What's the "*"? This tells Kermit to save the incoming file under the
> name "*" (literally). You probably didn't mean that. Just leave it off.
This is what I type to get the files from the remote host. In
interactive mode typing receive * will transfer all the files in my
outbin on the remote host to the local pwd with the appropriate file
names.
I am able to use the very same commands in interactive mode and
transfer files easily, however I think I am missing a parameter
somewhere for the script. I have never seen the timeout errors while
going through these steps manually unscripted.
> - Frank
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In article <336f652d.0111150732.18b42f4f@posting.google.com>,
Shifeux <shifeux@hotmail.com> wrote:
: > You mean, when running Zmodem software as an external protocol
: > over a Kermit connection?
:
: I think so, I am using the kermit client to connect to a remote host
: which only supports the zmodem transfer protocol. I was under the
: impression that kermit has its own way of handling the zmodem protocol
: by the set proto z statement at the begining of my script?
:
That's correct, but this does require external rz and sz programs that
work over standard input/output.
: > : ... but I get the following error using my
: > : script after issuing a receive * command:
: > :
: > : Readline:TIMEOUT
: > : Retry 0: Got TIMEOUT
: > :
: > These are messages from the Zmodem software.
:
: Thats what I thought, the transfer works sometimes and other times it
: does not. My problem is that I would need some way to trap that error
: so the script does not halt. Any ideas?
:
Put an IF FAILURE clause after the RECEIVE command?
: > : input 20 {Username:}
: > : output USER\13
: > : ...
: > :
: > You're not checking any of these INPUTs for failure. Thus even if you
: > script doesn't work, it will still start Zmodem in receive mode, and of
: > Zmodem will time out if there is no connection.
:
: I did have "if failure timeout" to catch this but i was experimenting
: due to the timeout errors i was receiving. Made no difference either
: way for me. The same timeout occurs.
:
What is "timeout"? It's not a Kermit command. Is it the name of a macro
that is defined in the context of this script?
: > : receive *
: >
: > What's the "*"? This tells Kermit to save the incoming file under the
: > name "*" (literally). You probably didn't mean that. Just leave it off.
:
: This is what I type to get the files from the remote host. In
: interactive mode typing receive * will transfer all the files in my
: outbin on the remote host to the local pwd with the appropriate file
: names.
:
No, RECEIVE means "passively wait for files to be sent by the other
Kermit". When the files arrive, they are stored under the names they are sent
with, except if you give RECEIVE an operand, this tells Kermit to store the
incoming file under that name. However, the operand is probably ignored for
Zmodem.
: I am able to use the very same commands in interactive mode and
: transfer files easily, however I think I am missing a parameter
: somewhere for the script. I have never seen the timeout errors while
: going through these steps manually unscripted.
:
I don't see anything obviously wrong. Use the traditional debugging
techniques:
SET INPUT ECHO ON
SET TAKE ECHO ON
to watch what's happening.
Hmmmm, something just occurred to me. You are using C-Kermit 8.0 Beta,
right? Recent releases of Kermit support something called "autodownload"
for both Kermit and Zmodem protocol transfers. If during either CONNECT
mode an INPUT or MINPUT command, a Kermit or Zmodem packet arrives, C-Kermit
automatically enters the appropriate protocol.
Therefore it is possible that the file was downloaded automatically before
your script ever reaches the RECEIVE command, which would explain why RECEIVE
times out. To rule this out, try adding:
SET TERMINAL AUTODOWNLOAD OFF
to your script.
- Frank
From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Nov 15 12:18:31 EST 2001
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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: ZModem Problems
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In article <9t0p2t$cjk$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
: Hmmmm, something just occurred to me. You are using C-Kermit 8.0 Beta,
: right? Recent releases of Kermit support something called "autodownload"
: for both Kermit and Zmodem protocol transfers. If during either CONNECT
: mode an INPUT or MINPUT command, a Kermit or Zmodem packet arrives, C-Kermit
: automatically enters the appropriate protocol.
:
: Therefore it is possible that the file was downloaded automatically before
: your script ever reaches the RECEIVE command, which would explain why RECEIVE
: times out. To rule this out, try adding:
:
: SET TERMINAL AUTODOWNLOAD OFF
:
: to your script.
:
: - Frank
And
SET INPUT AUTODOWNLOAD OFF
for the INPUT command.
Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 8.0 Beta available
The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP
http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and
kermit-support@kermit-project.org OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow.
From shifeux@hotmail.com Fri Nov 16 10:12:00 EST 2001
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From: shifeux@hotmail.com (Shifeux)
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Subject: Re: ZModem Problems
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> : > : ... but I get the following error using my
> : > : script after issuing a receive * command:
> : > :
> : > : Readline:TIMEOUT
> : > : Retry 0: Got TIMEOUT
> : > :
> : > These are messages from the Zmodem software.
> :
> : Thats what I thought, the transfer works sometimes and other times it
> : does not. My problem is that I would need some way to trap that error
> : so the script does not halt. Any ideas?
> :
> Put an IF FAILURE clause after the RECEIVE command?
I have decided it would be easier to convince the host machine people
to let me use kermit protocol :-)
> : > : input 20 {Username:}
> : > : output USER\13
> : > : ...
> : > :
> : > You're not checking any of these INPUTs for failure. Thus even if you
> : > script doesn't work, it will still start Zmodem in receive mode, and of
> : > Zmodem will time out if there is no connection.
> :
> : I did have "if failure timeout" to catch this but i was experimenting
> : due to the timeout errors i was receiving. Made no difference either
> : way for me. The same timeout occurs.
> :
> What is "timeout"? It's not a Kermit command. Is it the name of a macro
> that is defined in the context of this script?
sorry about that, yes just timeout macro
> : > : receive *
> : >
> : > What's the "*"? This tells Kermit to save the incoming file under the
> : > name "*" (literally). You probably didn't mean that. Just leave it off.
> :
> : This is what I type to get the files from the remote host. In
> : interactive mode typing receive * will transfer all the files in my
> : outbin on the remote host to the local pwd with the appropriate file
> : names.
> :
> No, RECEIVE means "passively wait for files to be sent by the other
> Kermit". When the files arrive, they are stored under the names they are sent
> with, except if you give RECEIVE an operand, this tells Kermit to store the
> incoming file under that name. However, the operand is probably ignored for
> Zmodem.
apparently when the scripting does work the * is being ignored. The
whole problem seems to be traffic on the host. It is a random error,
the transfer does take place, just not consistantly. The part that
troubles me is i never have that error message when i connect manually
without the script.
> Hmmmm, something just occurred to me. You are using C-Kermit 8.0 Beta,
> right? Recent releases of Kermit support something called "autodownload"
> for both Kermit and Zmodem protocol transfers. If during either CONNECT
> mode an INPUT or MINPUT command, a Kermit or Zmodem packet arrives, C-Kermit
> automatically enters the appropriate protocol.
>
> Therefore it is possible that the file was downloaded automatically before
> your script ever reaches the RECEIVE command, which would explain why RECEIVE
> times out. To rule this out, try adding:
>
> SET TERMINAL AUTODOWNLOAD OFF
>
> to your script.
I know there was no transfer at all taking place. My dirs were empty.
I did try this and nothing happened. After searching the newsgroup
for zmodem postings, i seem to find many postings with troubles
sending also, due to the whole sz rz redirection thing. So it seems
that once i lick the receiving part i am going to have problems
sending also. I'm going to try to get the remote machine to use a
normal protocol like kermit :-) Thanks for all the help.
> - Frank
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From: shifeux@hotmail.com (Shifeux)
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Subject: Re: ZModem Problems
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jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) wrote in message news:<9t0t31$flk$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>...
> In article <9t0p2t$cjk$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>,
> Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
> : Hmmmm, something just occurred to me. You are using C-Kermit 8.0 Beta,
> : right? Recent releases of Kermit support something called "autodownload"
> : for both Kermit and Zmodem protocol transfers. If during either CONNECT
> : mode an INPUT or MINPUT command, a Kermit or Zmodem packet arrives, C-Kermit
> : automatically enters the appropriate protocol.
> :
> : Therefore it is possible that the file was downloaded automatically before
> : your script ever reaches the RECEIVE command, which would explain why RECEIVE
> : times out. To rule this out, try adding:
> :
> : SET TERMINAL AUTODOWNLOAD OFF
> :
> : to your script.
> :
> : - Frank
>
> And
>
> SET INPUT AUTODOWNLOAD OFF
>
> for the INPUT command.
>
No such luck. Niether of these settings helped the issue.
From jcsutton@usa.com Fri Nov 16 17:09:02 EST 2001
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From: jcsutton@usa.com (Juan Sutton)
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Subject: File Transfer Problem(s)
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I am working on my second Kermit project :-). I am using an external
NEC 9635 E modem to dial out. The modem type I am using is
"generic-high-speed". I have to use even parity.
I am using Kermit as a local client and attempting to transfer files
from an STP switch (SS7 Network). I don't know what version of
Kermit, or the underlying OS that is running on these switches :-(.
The local version of Kermit is: C-Kermit 7.0.196, 1 Jan 2000, for IBM
AIX 4.3
After sending a few initial commands I prepare a transfer from the
switch like so: act-file-trns:loc=####
I then get a message like this: "Awaiting File Transfer with remote.
Please initiate binary Kermit session on local computer."
The fun stops when I attempt to actually receive these files using
"receive" or "get <file>" from the remote using binary mode. I get
either an "unknown" or "timeout" error. I have played with every
setting mentioned in Chapter 10 (Solving File Transfer Problems).
These include parity, flow-control, duplex, and handshake among
others. I have even tried the "robust" command.
Another guy in my company can transfer the file fine using ProComm's
built in Kermit capabilities. I am out of ideas. Any suggestions?
Thanks
Juan Sutton
From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Nov 16 17:09:06 EST 2001
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: File Transfer Problem(s)
Date: 16 Nov 2001 22:08:17 GMT
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In article <23521c90.0111161349.58735989@posting.google.com>,
Juan Sutton <jcsutton@usa.com> wrote:
: I am working on my second Kermit project :-). I am using an external
: NEC 9635 E modem to dial out. The modem type I am using is
: "generic-high-speed". I have to use even parity.
:
: I am using Kermit as a local client and attempting to transfer files
: from an STP switch (SS7 Network). I don't know what version of
: Kermit, or the underlying OS that is running on these switches :-(.
: The local version of Kermit is: C-Kermit 7.0.196, 1 Jan 2000, for IBM
: AIX 4.3
:
: After sending a few initial commands I prepare a transfer from the
: switch like so: act-file-trns:loc=####
:
: I then get a message like this: "Awaiting File Transfer with remote.
: Please initiate binary Kermit session on local computer."
:
: The fun stops when I attempt to actually receive these files using
: "receive" or "get <file>" from the remote using binary mode. I get
: either an "unknown" or "timeout" error. I have played with every
: setting mentioned in Chapter 10 (Solving File Transfer Problems).
: These include parity, flow-control, duplex, and handshake among
: others. I have even tried the "robust" command.
:
: Another guy in my company can transfer the file fine using ProComm's
: built in Kermit capabilities.
:
I don't think ProComm supports client/server GET, so the command would
most likely be RECEIVE.
: I am out of ideas. Any suggestions?
:
Lots. Read the C-Kermit 7.0 Update notes section on Coping with Faulty
Kermit Implementations:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit2.html#x4.22
At least one of the tricks in that section should help, but if none of
them do, then install C-Kermit 8.0:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80.html
and try the additional tricks listed here:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit3.html#x15
If you still have no joy, report back here.
- Frank
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Thanks for such a quick response.
>: I am out of ideas. Any suggestions?
>:
>Lots. Read the C-Kermit 7.0 Update notes section on Coping with Faulty
>Kermit Implementations:
>
> http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit2.html#x4.22
>
I tried each one of the listed suggestions to no avail. I thought the
SET ATTRIBUTE DATE OFF command was going to do it. The "last
modified" date of the files is "12-12-17" . That's equivilant to
December 17, 1912 (or 2012 maybe). Obviously way off.
None of the other settings seemed to make a difference. After I issue
the RECEIVE command, there is a pause; then, the transfer screen
flashes on the screen for a very short moment and I get "RECEIVE or
GET-class command failed." ... "Error 0".
>At least one of the tricks in that section should help, but if none of
>them do, then install C-Kermit 8.0:
>
> http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80.html
>
>and try the additional tricks listed here:
>
> http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit3.html#x15
>
I don't have root access but, I'll see if the Administrator will
install version 8.0 on Monday.
Thanks again for your help.
>If you still have no joy, report back here.
>
>- Frank
From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sat Nov 17 16:22:32 EST 2001
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: File Transfer Problem(s)
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In article <cgqbvtga2o14qgulrqigol0u4sr2mul871@4ax.com>,
Juan Sutton <jcsutton@usa.com> wrote:
: Thanks for such a quick response.
:
: >: I am out of ideas. Any suggestions?
: >:
: >Lots. Read the C-Kermit 7.0 Update notes section on Coping with Faulty
: >Kermit Implementations:
: >
: > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit2.html#x4.22
:
: I tried each one of the listed suggestions to no avail. I thought the
: ...
: None of the other settings seemed to make a difference. After I issue
: the RECEIVE command, there is a pause; then, the transfer screen
: flashes on the screen for a very short moment and I get "RECEIVE or
: GET-class command failed." ... "Error 0".
: ...
: I don't have root access but, I'll see if the Administrator will
: install version 8.0 on Monday.
:
Once you get it installed, send debug and packet logs to:
kermit-support@columbia.edu
If you can't install 8.0, send logs from 7.0.
- Frank
From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Nov 19 11:28:24 EST 2001
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Announcing C-Kermit 8.0 Beta.04
Date: 19 Nov 2001 16:20:51 GMT
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C-Kermit 7.0 Beta.04 is available for testing:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80.html
Changes since Beta.03 of 9 Sepember 2001:
Unix documentation:
. A brand-new Unix man page (ckuker.nr) is included with Beta.04.
Also on the Web at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckututor.html.
. Unix installation instructions are now available as a Web page:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckuins.html.
Telnet:
. SET TELOPT policies are now enforced on non-Telnet ports if the
server begins Telnet negotiations.
. SET TERMINAL IDLE-ACTION { TELNET-NOP, TELNET-AYT }.
Serial ports:
. UUCP lockfile creation race condition fixed.
. Dialout, modem signals, hangup, hardware flow control, etc, tested
extensively on many platforms, numerous problems fixed.
. SET STOP-BITS 2 can now be given without SET FLOW HARDWARE.
. Major improvements in RFC 2217 Telnet Com-Port Control.
. Improved ability to REDIAL a modem server port.
. Improved hints when dialing fails.
Command-line options:
. kermit -h now shows the command name in the usage usage string.
. kermit -h now shows ALL command-line options.
. kermit -s blah, where blah is a symlink, now works.
. --noperms command-line option = SET ATTRIBUTE PERMISSIONS OFF.
. HTTP and HTTPS URLs now supported on the command line.
. An http command-line personality is now available.
General:
. Initialization file streamlined to load faster, anachronisms removed.
. Updated NEWS, INTRO, HELP text, SHOW commands, etc.
In particular, see SHOW COMM, HELP SET LINE, HELP WAIT, etc.
. Date/time arithmetic routines converted from floating-point to integer
arithmetic (internally) for greater accuracy and portability.
. Quoted strings containing commas no longer break macro execution.
Kermit file transfer improvements:
. Dynamic timeouts are now much more aggressive.
. New "hot keys" to turn debug.log on/off during file transfer.
. Improved hints when transfer fails.
FTP improvements:
. FTP CD orientation messages are now printed.
. -R now accepted on the FTP command line to request Recursion.
. -m allows Active or Passive mode to be chosen on the command line.
. -dd on the FTP command line creates a timestamped debug.log.
. FTP command-line security options filled in.
. Improved automatic text/binary mode switching for MGET.
. Removed spurious error messages that sometimes occur during MGET.
New or improved commands:
. DIRECTORY, GREP, TYPE, HEAD, and TAIL now have a /OUTPUT:file option.
. TYPE /NUMBER adds line numbers.
. CAT = TYPE /NOPAGE; MORE = TYPE /PAGE.
. GETOK ?-help fixed.
New variables:
. \v(timestamp) (= "\v(ndate) \v(time)")
. \v(hour) (hour of the day, 0-23)
New functions:
. \funix2dospath() converts a UNIX path (/) to a DOS one (\).
. \fdos2unixpath() converts a DOS (Windows, OS/2) path to a UNIX one.
. \fkeywordval() parses name=value pair, allows macro keyword parameters.
Security:
. We now make every attempt to not write passwords to the debug.log.
. New Certficate Authority certificates file, includes the Kermit
Project at Columbia University so you can access our IKSD securely.
. Secure targets improved and better documented in Unix makefile.
Builds:
. All Linux (libc and glibc) builds consolidated under "make linux".
. HP-UX makefile targets now have consistent names.
. New aix50 and aix51 targets added.
C-Kermit 8.0.200 Beta.04 has been built on nearly 100 different OS/hardware
combinations so far. See the binaries list at the end of the web page; if
you have a platform that does not have a Beta.04 binary listed, please try
building it there and upload the result. For UNIX please use a name like:
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/incoming/cku200b04.xxx
where xxx follows the normal convention of makefile entry name,
hardware, OS release:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80.html#binlist
For VMS use:
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/incoming/ckv200b04-ppp-vmsvv-nnnnn.exe
where ppp is "axp" or "vax", vv is the VMS version (e.g. "71" for 7.1), and
nnnnn is the network option ("nonet", "tgv43", "ucx50", etc).
For extra fun, use C-Kermit's built-in FTP or IKSD clients for uploading:
New Kermits Upload Themselves!
I know I've said this before, but this time I really do expect this to be
the final beta test before the 8.0 release, so please give it a workout.
I think (hope) you'll find the serial-port functions much more solid; this
was the major focus of Beta.04. The following tests should be done on as
many platforms as possible:
. SET LINE / SET PORT gets the line and (in Unix) creates the lockfile.
. The lockfile works (prevents other kermit, cu, uucp, etc) from opening
an already-open device.
. The expected range is available for SET SPEED, and the high speeds
actually work.
. SHOW COMM lists modem signals correctly.
. Hardware flow control (RTS/CTS) can be selected and works right on
platforms that support it.
. HANGUP works with both SET MODEM HANGUP-METHOD MODEM-COMMAND and RS232
(the latter should make DTR and possibly also RTS go off for half a
second and then come back on again).
. Ditto for DIAL and REDIAL.
. Binary files (e.g. .zip, .gz) can be uploaded and downloaded, even on
terrible modem connections (where the modems are constantly retraining).
. Kermit returns automatically to its prompt when the modem drops CD.
I ran all these tests on FreeBSD 3.3, NetBSD 1.4.1, OpenBSD 2.5, Debian
Linux 2.1, Red Hat Linux 7.1, SCO XENIX 2.3.4, SCO OSR5.0.5, SCO Unixware
2.1.3, QNX 4.25, HP-UX 10.20, Solaris 2.6, Solaris 2.8, Tru64 Unix 4.0E,
SunOS 4.1.3, NeXTSTEP 3.1, and VMS 7.1, at speeds ranging from 9600 to
115200 bps, on good, so-so, and awful connections, with RTS/CTS as well as
Xon/Xoff flow control, with and without parity, and it all looked good.
But the more platforms the better, since each one is different from all
the others.
Thanks!
- Frank
From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Nov 20 12:59:52 EST 2001
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: C-Kermit 8.0 Beta.04 for Linux
Date: 20 Nov 2001 17:57:55 GMT
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C-Kermit 8.0 is almost ready for release. The final Beta, Beta.04,
was announced on the Kermit newsgroup (comp.protocols.kermit.misc)
yesterday:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80b04.html <-- Beta announcement
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80b.html <-- C-Kermit 8.0 page
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html <-- C-Kermit main page
If you haven't been following C-Kermit 8.0 (or C-Kermit at all), note
that the new release incorporates:
. Kerberos, SSL/SLS, and SRP security.
. An SSH interface.
. Advanced, scriptable Telnet, FTP, and HTTP clients.
. Lots more; see the web links for details.
In the latest Beta, I finally found a way (crude but effective) to get
"make linux" to work for all Linuxes (as far as I know) -- libc or glibc,
so we no longer need separate makefile targets for (e.g.) Red Hat 7.1 and
Debian 2.1.
A lot of work was done in Beta.04 on the serial-port code. A race
condition with mgetty was discovered in Kermit's lockfile creation, and
fixed and dialout connections were tested extensively on several different
Linuxes. Several other corrections were made in this area:
. Missing error message in failing SET LINE command fixed.
. Discovered that Linux tcsendbreak() ignores its argument
(so Kermit can't send a "Long BREAK"; fixed in the documentation).
. Fixed spurious "OK to exit?" message after carrier dropped on a
modem connection.
And as noted in the main announcement, the new Beta works well with
RFC-2217 Telnet Com-Port capable modem servers, such as the Cisco 2509.
This allows the dialout program to "directly" access the remote port and
modem, giving it access to speeds, modem signals, etc. There is also a
Linux-based server for this protocol (allowing Linux Com ports and modems
to be shared on a network), Denis Sbragion's sredir. Previously there
were no publicly available clients for sredir; now you can use C-Kermit.
In the process of testing Kermit with sredir(), we discovered and fixed a
few problems in sredir itself; you can find the updated version here:
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/sredird/
So far, Beta.04 has been built successfully (with "make linux") on the
following hardware/OS combinations:
Hardware Distribution Filename
Apple Power Mac G3 Linux PPC 2000 Q4 cku200b04.linux-ppc-2000q4
DEC/Compaq Alpha Red Hat Linux 6.2 cku200b04.linux-alpha-rh62
Intel PC Debian 2.1 cku200b04.linuxnp-i386-db2.1
Intel PC Red Hat 5.2 cku200b04.linux-i386-rh5.2
Intel PC Red Hat 6.1 cku200b04.linux-i386-rh6.1
Intel PC Red Hat 6.2 cku200b04.linux-i386-rh6.2
Intel PC Red Hat 7.0 cku200b04.linux-i386-rh7.0
Intel PC Red Hat 7.1 cku200b04.linux-i386-rh7.1
Intel PC SuSE 6.4 cku200b04.linux-i386-su6.4
Intel PC SuSE 7.0 cku200b04.linux-i386-su7.0
Intel PC Slackware 4.0 cku200b04.linuxnp-i386-sw4.0
Intel PC Slackware 7.1 cku200b04.linux-i386-sw7.1
Intel PC Slackware 8.0 cku200b04.linux-i386-sw8.0
Sun Sparc Rec Hat 6.2 cku200b04.linux-sparc-rh6.2
If you can build other combinations, please upload the binaries to:
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/incoming/
using the same naming conventions.
I hope the final release will come within a few weeks. Meanwhile, report
any problems with Beta.04 to:
kermit-support@columbia.edu
Frank da Cruz
The Kermit Project
Columbia University
New York City
Email: fdc@columbia.edu
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/
From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Nov 22 17:11:44 EST 2001
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Bug in C-Kermit 8.0 Beta.04 (Solaris)
Date: 22 Nov 2001 22:08:12 GMT
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C-Kermit 8.0 Beta.04 has a bug that (as far as I can tell) affects only
Solaris. If you start Kermit and then give it a "server" command (or
"send", or "receive", or any other command that causes it to enter Kermit
protocol), it says:
?Sorry, write access to UUCP lockfile directory denied
or:
Type Ctrl-C to cancel
instead of its usual "READY TO blah..." message. The former message
appears if Kermit doesn't have write access to the UUCP lockfile directory;
the latter if it does, in which case various unpleasant consequences ensue:
terminal modes messed up, no way to interrupt, etc. Patch:
*** /../beta04/ckutio.c Sat Nov 17 14:28:18 2001
--- ./ckutio.c Wed Nov 21 13:34:20 2001
***************
*** 2706,2712 ****
xlocal = *lcl; /* Is the device my login terminal? */
debug(F111,"ttopen xlocal","A",xlocal);
fnam = ttname;
! if (netconn == 0) {
if (zfnqfp(ttname,DEVNAMLEN+1,fullname)) {
if ((int)strlen(fullname) > 0)
fnam = fullname;
--- 2706,2712 ----
xlocal = *lcl; /* Is the device my login terminal? */
debug(F111,"ttopen xlocal","A",xlocal);
fnam = ttname;
! if (strcmp(ttname,CTTNAM) && netconn == 0) {
if (zfnqfp(ttname,DEVNAMLEN+1,fullname)) {
if ((int)strlen(fullname) > 0)
fnam = fullname;
Or pick up a new copy of ckutio.c from:
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/tmp/ckutio.c
Or pick up an updated Tar or Zip archive from the usual place:
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/tar/cku200b04.tar.gz
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/tar/cku200b04.tar.Z
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/tar/ckv200b04.zip
I've also replaced the following Beta.04 Solaris binaries:
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/bin/cku200b04.solaris25-sparc-2.5.1
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/bin/cku200b04.solaris25g-sparc-2.5.1
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/bin/cku200b04.solaris7-sparc
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/bin/cku200b04.solaris7g-sparc
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/bin/cku200b04.solaris8-sparc
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/bin/cku200b04.solaris8g-sparc
My Solaris PC is on vacation, so I couldn't replace the i386 binaries; if
anybody can send in new ones, I'd appreciate it. Ditto for any Solaris
binaries (PC or Sparc) for Solaris 2.4 or earlier, or for 2.9.
The new Tar archive also contains an updated makefile that:
. Fixes the Ultrix-4.4 MIPS build (allow for larger literal pool)
. Fixes the SCO OSR5.0.4 build (remove -O so compiler doesn't blow up)
. Adds an AIX 4.1 gcc target
And the new Zip archive includes an updated VMS build procedure (CKVKER.COM)
that allows for UCX 5.1 on the VAX.
- Frank
From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Nov 26 18:56:53 EST 2001
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: New stuff
Date: 26 Nov 2001 23:37:16 GMT
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New on the Kermit website, the products of a marathon
HTMLizing frenzy:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/security80.html
A new and hopefully much more user-friendly version of the
documentation for installing and using secure Kermit versions,
including overviews of security methods, protocols, and related
topics, new tutorials on X.509 certificates, firewalls, NATs,
etc, and an updated guide to secure Telnet and FTP servers.
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckcbwr.html
The general C-Kermit "beware file", Not Plain Text Any More.
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckcbwr.html
The Unix-specific C-Kermit "beware file", ditto.
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckuins.html
The Unix C-Kermit installation guide (this was actually part
of the Beta.04 announcement, included here for completeness).
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckututor.pdf
The Unix C-Kermit tutorial-cum-manpage in PDF format.
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80.html
The C-Kermit 8.0 Beta.04 page updated to reference the above
nuggets, and with links to more than 150 up-to-date C-Kermit
8.0 Beta.04 Unix and VMS binaries.
In other news, Kermit 95 2.00 recently conducted its first SSH
session. Barring (un)foreseen catastrophes, a Beta version should
appear soon (weeks, not months).
- Frank
From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Nov 26 18:58:29 EST 2001
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Kermit success stories wanted
Date: 26 Nov 2001 23:50:08 GMT
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For our (internal) annual report, it would be helpful to include
stories of how the Kermit Project and software have been of value
to you or your organization. There has been so much bad news lately
that it would be encouraging to see some good news and to find out
something about the benefits, if any, of our work in the real world,
similar to what we used to publish in the old Kermit News issues:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/news.html
which, unfortunately, had to be discontinued for financial reasons
(who knows, maybe we can start it up again but on the Web this time;
if you want it on paper you can print it yourself :-)
Submissions of all kinds gratefully accepted at:
mailto:kermit@columbia.edu
and/or:
news:comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Thanks!
- Frank
From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Nov 26 18:58:33 EST 2001
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: New stuff
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In article <9tujnc$rtu$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
: ...
: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckcbwr.html
: The Unix-specific C-Kermit "beware file", ditto.
:
True to form, I can never make a posting without at least one
critical typo in it. That should have been:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckubwr.html
The Unix-specific C-Kermit "beware file", ditto.
- Frank
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> In other news, Kermit 95 2.00 recently conducted its first SSH
> session. Barring (un)foreseen catastrophes, a Beta version should
> appear soon (weeks, not months).
>
> - Frank
Good K95 v2 news. Weeks is good.
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From: "Kimmo Karjalainen" <kimmokarjalainen@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: How to send AT commands with Kermit ?
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Hi,
I would like to use Kermit for sending AT commands
and for listening to the answers - is this possible
with MS DOS Kermit ? - If possible how ?
Can someone recommend me some reading on this
topic !!! please
thanks :)
Kimmo
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From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Nov 27 16:50:07 EST 2001
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: How to send AT commands with Kermit ?
Date: 27 Nov 2001 21:41:19 GMT
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In article <7d5be33dcc3063ddb2855b92cc1ce1a6.46365@mygate.mailgate.org>,
Kimmo Karjalainen <kimmokarjalainen@hotmail.com> wrote:
: I would like to use Kermit for sending AT commands
: and for listening to the answers - is this possible
: with MS DOS Kermit ? - If possible how ?
:
See:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mskscripts.html
- Frank
From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Nov 27 17:15:29 EST 2001
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: K95+ shrinkwrapped packages back in stock
Date: 27 Nov 2001 22:13:30 GMT
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The K95+ shrinkwrap drought is over. All outstanding orders will be
handled promptly, and all new orders will be filled promptly. This is
Kermit 95 1.1.20 (the current version) in exactly the same package as
before:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95box.jpg
We like the look even better now, featuring New York City's nostalgic
former skyline.
K95 2.00 is on its way, but we still have to make ends meet in the
meanwhile, so be sure to order early and often. Remember, owning the
current version gets you a free upgrade to 2.00 (which might very well
carry a price increase) so there's no need to wait.
Those of you who downloaded the demo and were waiting for something
tangible to materialize before registering it... now's your chance
(remember, the demo expires at the end of December).
To be perfectly candid, I'm not thrilled with the results of the trial
download. As soon as it was announced, our orders dropped to 10% of
their former rate. Was this a coincidence explained by the crashing
economy and the events of September 11th? Or was it because people were
waiting until they could receive a package upon registration? I hope
the latter. Otherwise, I'm not keen on repeating the experiment in
future. But let's hope for the best, in which case future downloads
are expected to feature 1-click installation, 1-click registration,
and other modern conveniences.
The current download will remain available until late December.
- Frank
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Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
: To be perfectly candid, I'm not thrilled with the results of the trial
: download. As soon as it was announced, our orders dropped to 10% of
Compared to what number of downloads?
Are you saying that the difference between the current order rate and
the old order rate is 90%, and that the number of downloads is equal to
that 90%?
I downloaded a copy for use on a new machine, but it is replacing a machine
where I had a purchased copy. I just didn't have the CD with me.
If the download wasn't available, I would have waited.
If I needed a new copy, I would have placed an order, and used my old CD.
If I didn't have an old one, obviously I would have waited for the CD to
arrive, lacking the downloadable copy.
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- Pope Valley (Napa County) CA.
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I'm about half-way through a roll-out of 350 sites. When I see
daylight, I would be happy to write something up. What's your
time frame?
"Frank da Cruz" <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote in message
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>
> For our (internal) annual report, it would be helpful to
include
> stories of how the Kermit Project and software have been of
value
> to you or your organization. There has been so much bad news
lately
> that it would be encouraging to see some good news and to find
out
> something about the benefits, if any, of our work in the real
world,
> similar to what we used to publish in the old Kermit News
issues:
>
> http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/news.html
>
> which, unfortunately, had to be discontinued for financial
reasons
> (who knows, maybe we can start it up again but on the Web this
time;
> if you want it on paper you can print it yourself :-)
>
> Submissions of all kinds gratefully accepted at:
>
> mailto:kermit@columbia.edu
>
> and/or:
>
> news:comp.protocols.kermit.misc
>
> Thanks!
>
> - Frank
From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Nov 28 09:34:44 EST 2001
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: K95+ shrinkwrapped packages back in stock
Date: 28 Nov 2001 14:33:40 GMT
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In article <9u18jq$ld6$1@samba.rahul.net>, <dold@25.usenet.us.com> wrote:
: Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
:
: : To be perfectly candid, I'm not thrilled with the results of the trial
: : download. As soon as it was announced, our orders dropped to 10% of
:
: Compared to what number of downloads?
: Are you saying that the difference between the current order rate and
: the old order rate is 90%, and that the number of downloads is equal to
: that 90%?
:
Let's say the number of copies of K95 shrinkwraps we sold per week prior
to the download was n, averaged over several years. Then in the two+ months
since the download became available (in round numbers):
. The number of downloads per week is 50 x n.
. The number of sales per week is n / 10.
. The number of sales per download is, therefore, n / 500.
This seems to say something about "e-commerce". We all know how so many
dot-coms with their multibillion dollar IPOs went belly-up because they
weren't actually selling anything. The "street" believed that if you were
popular, this would somehow turn into revenue. It didn't.
Here we have actual hard data on this phenomenon. The common wisdom is that
by making software more easily available, you'll increase its popularity and
therefore the number of orders/licenses. The data so far indicates just the
opposite. But obviously there are other factors to consider beyond the
availability of a trial download:
. The economy.
. The fact that new releases are expected soon.
. The degree to which text-based applications (terminal emulation,
command languages, etc) remain viable.
. The availability of a tangible product (package). This has changed for
the first time since the download started, so we will soon see whether
this is a pertinent factor.
Personally, I have faith that applications like Kermit will have a place
for years to come; if not in the mass market, then among experienced
computer users, system/network administrators, and system integrators who
can make good use of its platform- and transport-independent automation
features.
- Frank
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <9u1vfc1b7l@enews1.newsguy.com>,
Grinder <grinder@no.spam.maam.com> wrote:
: I'm about half-way through a roll-out of 350 sites. When I see
: daylight, I would be happy to write something up. What's your
: time frame?
:
Before the end of December would be best. Thanks!
- Frank
From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Nov 28 16:16:58 EST 2001
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: C-Kermit configuration options
Date: 28 Nov 2001 21:15:12 GMT
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The C-Kermit configuration options document (ckccfg.txt) has been
htmlized:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckccfg.html
and updated. Of special interest to some of you is the section on
reducing program size by eliminating features:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckccfg.html#x6
which includes a new table of the 25 biggest features and their
contributions to the total size of the program.
Suggestions, comments, etc, on any of these newly htmlized documents
welcome before the end of the Beta period (soon).
- Frank
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From: deja@alienbigcats.com (paul wells)
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Subject: Counting the files sent and received
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Is there any [straight-forward and simple] way to count the number of
files transmitted using SEND and RECEIVE?
It's not a real problem as a call to Kermit is only part of the
application I'm writing, and the file validation etc will be handled
elsewhere. But you know how it is when you think of something, then
spend far too much time trying to do it.
--
paul
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Counting the files sent and received
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In article <669ac511.0111281348.1ae59f62@posting.google.com>,
paul wells <deja@alienbigcats.com> wrote:
: Is there any [straight-forward and simple] way to count the number of
: files transmitted using SEND and RECEIVE?
:
: It's not a real problem as a call to Kermit is only part of the
: application I'm writing, and the file validation etc will be handled
: elsewhere. But you know how it is when you think of something, then
: spend far too much time trying to do it.
:
In C-Kermit or K95 of recent vintage, after each file-transfer operation
(SEND, GET, RECEIVE, etc) the variable \v(filenumber) shows the number
of files that were transferred, whether each transfer succeeded or not.
There are currently no variables that break down the number of files
successfully transferred, rejected, skipped, interrupted, or that had
fatal errors.
Meanwhile, in case you're interested in other approaches to the same
problem, you might want to look at:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/case10.html
and:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpscripts.html
both of which deal with "atomic file movement", validation of successful
transfer, and the like.
- Frank
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I don't think we'll be there by then--but I'll put something
together in the next couple of weeks.
"Frank da Cruz" <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote in message
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> In article <9u1vfc1b7l@enews1.newsguy.com>,
> Grinder <grinder@no.spam.maam.com> wrote:
> : I'm about half-way through a roll-out of 350 sites. When I
see
> : daylight, I would be happy to write something up. What's
your
> : time frame?
> :
> Before the end of December would be best. Thanks!
>
> - Frank
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From: deja@alienbigcats.com (paul wells)
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Subject: Re: Counting the files sent and received
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fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote in message news:<9u3mn1$g71$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>...
> In article <669ac511.0111281348.1ae59f62@posting.google.com>,
> paul wells <deja@alienbigcats.com> wrote:
> : Is there any [straight-forward and simple] way to count the number of
> : files transmitted using SEND and RECEIVE?
> :
> : It's not a real problem as a call to Kermit is only part of the
> : application I'm writing, and the file validation etc will be handled
> : elsewhere. But you know how it is when you think of something, then
> : spend far too much time trying to do it.
> :
> In C-Kermit or K95 of recent vintage, after each file-transfer operation
> (SEND, GET, RECEIVE, etc) the variable \v(filenumber) shows the number
> of files that were transferred, whether each transfer succeeded or not.
> There are currently no variables that break down the number of files
> successfully transferred, rejected, skipped, interrupted, or that had
> fatal errors.
>
> Meanwhile, in case you're interested in other approaches to the same
> problem, you might want to look at:
>
> http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/case10.html
>
> and:
>
> http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpscripts.html
>
> both of which deal with "atomic file movement", validation of successful
> transfer, and the like.
>
Excellent - thanks for that Frank; of course now I'm going to spend
all day playing with Kermit trying these ideas out and not get
anything done on the thing I'm supposed to be doing :)
From dframeli@aus.telusa.com Thu Nov 29 16:52:45 EST 2001
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From: dframeli@aus.telusa.com (Dale Frameli)
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Subject: How to use Kermit within a VMS command procedure?
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We're using VMS Kermit-32 v3.2.077 on our DEC3000-300. OpenVMS
v1.5-1H1 is installed. I believe UCX v3.x is also installed, but I'm
not sure about that. There is little, or no chance of getting the OS
updated :(
Can the version of Kermit that we have be used in VAX Command
Procedures? Within a command procedure, I wish to call Kermit, and
pass it the name of the file I want it to send.
i.e. RUN DKA300:[UTILITIES.SYSTEM]KERMIT -SEND -BINARY
[.ALFC]TESTFILE.ZIP
The C-Kermit website mentions using Kermit in Unix scripts, but
nothing I could find mentions VMS.
If this is possible, can you tell me what the proper syntax / usage
would be to accomplish my task?
Please send your reply to: dframeli@aus.telusa.com
Thanks,
Dale
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: How to use Kermit within a VMS command procedure?
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In article <de844d64.0111291335.6c275174@posting.google.com>,
Dale Frameli <dframeli@aus.telusa.com> wrote:
: We're using VMS Kermit-32 v3.2.077 on our DEC3000-300.
:
Kermit-32:
(a) Was retired from service in 1987 and replaced by C-Kermit:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html
(b) Is only for the VAX, so you must be running it under VAX
emulation.
(c) Is really slow and primitive compared to C-Kermit, etc etc.
: OpenVMS
: v1.5-1H1 is installed. I believe UCX v3.x is also installed, but I'm
: not sure about that. There is little, or no chance of getting the OS
: updated :(
:
Doesn't matter. Do you have a C compiler on it? If so:
. This would be very helpful to us because until now we have not
found a VMS 1.x build site for recent C-Kermit releases.
If not:
. You can download a prebuilt C-Kermit 6.0-for-VMS/Alpha-1.x binary
from the aforementioned site.
C-Kermit is fully scriptable, but not the way you think. C-Kermit itself
has its own script language, which it executes directly (e.g. from a
command file), as opposed to writing DCL command procedures to stuff
commands into its command processor. See the examples in Section 2 of:
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/f/ckvbwr.txt
- Frank
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Subject: Problems with C-Kermit, modems, Unix, dialling....
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Hi,
We use C-Kermit v6 on SCO to dial out, and have recently replaced our modems
with a new batch. Since doing this, our usual dial command of SET MODEM TYPE
HAYES-HIGH-SPEED no longer works - fails to initialise modem. These modems are
based, apparantly, on the same Rockwell chipset.
Hence we moved onto Kermit v7, and use SET MODEM TYPE GENERIC-HIGH-SPEED, which
initialises the new modems fine. None of the other SET MODEM TYPE options seem
to work, including the Rockwell ones.
Now we have some really wierd issues though. For example a system was built in
location A, and tested with a modem which dials the number without problem using
the DIAL nnnnnnnnnn command.
Moved this system to location B, and you can hear the modem dial about half the
number and then give up making some v strange noises. Trying a different phone
line gives similar results. If I CONNECT and type ATDTnnnnnnnn instead of using
the DIAL command, it dials and connects fine. Hence it seems the modem and phone
line are all OK. All phone lines are wonderful British Telecom ones. Workaround:
use DIAL nnnnn; DIAL nnnnn ie. split the dialling in two seems to work.
Another system, similarly configured, won't even dial at all, or go off hook,
despite being the same as the above. However if you in kermit CONNECT and
ATDTnnnnnnnn it dials with no problem. Workaround: After much messing about,
changing the DIAL PACING seems to help a lot.
So this seems to be some sort of joint problem with the phone lines, modem and
the way kermit initialises the modem. Can anyone throw any light on how I should
be setting Kermit up properly, or is this a known issue with certain types of
phone line, can I ask BT to change anything, etc?
thanks for the advice
-Rob
robatwork at mail dot com
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <3c075082.1810713@news.ision.net.uk>,
Rob S <robatwork@REMOVEmail.com> wrote:
: We use C-Kermit v6 on SCO...
:
SCO what?
: ... to dial out, and have recently replaced our modems
: with a new batch. Since doing this, our usual dial command of SET MODEM TYPE
: HAYES-HIGH-SPEED no longer works - fails to initialise modem. These modems
: are based, apparantly, on the same Rockwell chipset.
:
What is the make and model of the modem?
: Hence we moved onto Kermit v7, and use SET MODEM TYPE GENERIC-HIGH-SPEED,
: which initialises the new modems fine. None of the other SET MODEM TYPE
: options seem to work, including the Rockwell ones.
:
Maybe it's supported in C-Kermit 8.0:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80.html
If not, maybe I can add support for it before the final 8.0 release if you
send me the command set.
: Now we have some really wierd issues though...
:
Before looking at the weird issues, let's try version 8.0. If you still
have them, get back to us, and this time include details about the modem
type and SCO version.
- Frank
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re: using kermit in a command procedure:
$define/user/nolog sys$command sys$input
$run kermit.exe
set line TXC1:
set speed 38000
etc
SEND myfile.txt
exit
$write sys$output "done"
Another way to do this is to have kermit invoke a script and let the script do
all the processing
I don't think that the old kermit-32 has access to cli symbols and logicals
for its scripting, but you can still define a logical name "myfile" before
invoking kermit and in kermit, you use a command such as "send myfile"
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On 30 Nov 2001 14:17:44 GMT, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da
Cruz) wrote:
>In article <3c075082.1810713@news.ision.net.uk>,
>Rob S <robatwork@REMOVEmail.com> wrote:
>
>: We use C-Kermit v6 on SCO...
>:
>SCO what?
>
>: ... to dial out, and have recently replaced our modems
>: with a new batch. Since doing this, our usual dial command of SET MODEM TYPE
>: HAYES-HIGH-SPEED no longer works - fails to initialise modem. These modems
>: are based, apparantly, on the same Rockwell chipset.
>:
>What is the make and model of the modem?
>
>: Hence we moved onto Kermit v7, and use SET MODEM TYPE GENERIC-HIGH-SPEED,
>: which initialises the new modems fine. None of the other SET MODEM TYPE
>: options seem to work, including the Rockwell ones.
>:
>Maybe it's supported in C-Kermit 8.0:
>
> http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80.html
>
>If not, maybe I can add support for it before the final 8.0 release if you
>send me the command set.
>
>: Now we have some really wierd issues though...
>:
>Before looking at the weird issues, let's try version 8.0. If you still
>have them, get back to us, and this time include details about the modem
>type and SCO version.
>
>- Frank
If you are taking suggestions for adding built in modem support into
C-Kermit may I suggest Zoom modems with Lucent-Venus chip sets
V90 - http://www.zoom.com/ts1/analog/VenusCRM.pdf
V92 - http://www.zoom.com/ts1/analog/V92_Commands.pdf
Thanks
UBW
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In article <ssjf0usbk53egel3u745canchgkpil753m@4ax.com>,
ubw <ubw@nowhere.net> wrote:
: If you are taking suggestions for adding built in modem support into
: C-Kermit may I suggest Zoom modems with Lucent-Venus chip sets
: V90 - http://www.zoom.com/ts1/analog/VenusCRM.pdf
: V92 - http://www.zoom.com/ts1/analog/V92_Commands.pdf
:
These are already done:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80.html
- Frank
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The following plain-text documentation files that have traditionally
accompanied C-Kermit have been updated for version 8.0 and converted to
HTML:
Old Text File New Web Page
ckuker.nr ckututor.html Unix C-Kermit manual page
ckcbwr.txt ckcbwr.html General C-Kermit hints and tips
ckubwr.txt ckubwr.html Unix-specific C-Kermit hints and tips
ckuins.txt ckuins.html Unix installation instructions
ckvbwr.txt ckvbwr.html VMS-specific C-Kermit hints and tips (*)
ckvins.txt ckvins.html VMS installation instructions (*)
ckcplm.txt ckcplm.html C-Kermit program logic manual (*)
ckccfg.txt ckccfg.html C-Kermit configuration options
telnet.txt telnet80.html Telnet Client Reference
security.txt security80.html Kermit Security Reference
iksd.txt iksd.html Internet Kermit Service Daemon
ckermit2.txt ckermit70.html Documentation of C-Kermit 7.0 features
ckermit3.txt ckermit80.html Documentation of C-Kermit 8.0 features
(*) New as of today.
See:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80.html
for clickable links (they could all no doubt use more work, but overall
it's an improvement).
The plain-text files never really fit anywhere. There's no place in Unix
or VMS to put them where people might look. So now they are readily
available and easily found Web resources, and will eventually be indexed
and find their way into Google and whatnot.
Meanwhile, I'm also curious about how many people actually use the
distributed initialization and directory files (dialing, network,
services). Especially the services directory -- does anybody use it? Is
there any reason to continue distributing the traditional C-Kermit
initialization file with all those macro definitions in it? To me, the
init file seems almost completely superfluous, especially now (in Unix at
least) with kerbang scripts.
Anyway, when C-Kermit 8.0 is released (within a couple weeks), I trust that
people will create install packages for their respective platforms, as was
done for C-Kermit 6.0 and 7.0. I'm not sure if any of these information
files needs to go into an install package, or if so, in what form (text or
html). Obviously it's up to the packager.
Here's a rough first cut at a page that package makers should read:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80packages.html
I'd appreciate suggestions from anybody who has experience making and
installing packages on Linux, Solaris, AIX, etc etc.
Thanks!
- Frank
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Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
> In article <3c075082.1810713@news.ision.net.uk>,
> Rob S <robatwork@REMOVEmail.com> wrote:
> : We use C-Kermit v6 on SCO...
> :
> SCO what?
<snippage>
> : Now we have some really wierd issues though...
> :
> Before looking at the weird issues, let's try version 8.0. If you still
> have them, get back to us, and this time include details about the modem
> type and SCO version.
And you may also wish to know if it's a 'builtin' serial port (i.e.,
a native PC port) or some third-party add-in serial port. Many of these
do not behave identically to a standard PC serial port, come with thier
own utilities for managing port parameters (so that in some cases, at
least, setting parameters using the normal ioctls doesn't do the right
thing) or other weirdness. I know just enough about these things (from
having been subjected to one or two of 'em at work) to know I'd avoid
them if there were any way.
Fred
> - Frank
--
---- Fred Smith -- fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us -----------------------------
I can do all things through Christ
who strengthens me.
------------------------------ Philippians 4:13 -------------------------------
From arthur.marsh@adelaide.edu.au Sun Dec 2 19:12:56 EST 2001
Article: 13010 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc
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Maybe this is time to ask for yet another feature for C-Kermit - an
interface to the system(3) call, which is part of XPG4 Unix. That way,
serial board-specific command line utilities (such as Stallion's bcstty)
could be run from within C-Kermit when kermit is defined as the login
shell (system(3) is supposed to use sh and not the login shell from what
I've read of the manual pages). NOPUSH should disable this of course,
and there may be other security concerns to think about, but it would
give C-Kermit some extra functionality and the ability to do more with
serial hardware without having to know more about the hardware specifics.
Arthur.
fred smith wrote:
> Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>
>>In article <3c075082.1810713@news.ision.net.uk>,
>>Rob S <robatwork@REMOVEmail.com> wrote:
>>
>
>>: We use C-Kermit v6 on SCO...
>>:
>>SCO what?
>>
>
> <snippage>
>
>>: Now we have some really wierd issues though...
>>:
>>Before looking at the weird issues, let's try version 8.0. If you still
>>have them, get back to us, and this time include details about the modem
>>type and SCO version.
>>
>
> And you may also wish to know if it's a 'builtin' serial port (i.e.,
> a native PC port) or some third-party add-in serial port. Many of these
> do not behave identically to a standard PC serial port, come with thier
> own utilities for managing port parameters (so that in some cases, at
> least, setting parameters using the normal ioctls doesn't do the right
> thing) or other weirdness. I know just enough about these things (from
> having been subjected to one or two of 'em at work) to know I'd avoid
> them if there were any way.
>
> Fred
>
>
>>- Frank
>>
>
--
Arthur Marsh, Network Support Officer, Information Technology Services
The University of Adelaide SA 5005 Australia
Ph: +61 8 8303 6109, Mobile: +61 414 260 077
From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun Dec 2 19:12:59 EST 2001
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <3C0ABA43.20004@adelaide.edu.au>,
Arthur Marsh <arthur.marsh@adelaide.edu.au> wrote:
: Maybe this is time to ask for yet another feature for C-Kermit - an
: interface to the system(3) call, which is part of XPG4 Unix. That way,
: serial board-specific command line utilities (such as Stallion's bcstty)
: could be run from within C-Kermit when kermit is defined as the login
: shell (system(3) is supposed to use sh and not the login shell from what
: I've read of the manual pages). NOPUSH should disable this of course,
: and there may be other security concerns to think about, but it would
: give C-Kermit some extra functionality and the ability to do more with
: serial hardware without having to know more about the hardware specifics.
:
Doesn't C-Kermit's RUN (!) command take care of this?
- Frank
From arthur.marsh@adelaide.edu.au Mon Dec 3 09:31:40 EST 2001
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No, C-Kermit's run uses the shell currently defined for the user. If
C-Kermit is defined as the login shell (useful for some situations),
there isn't access to running other executables from within C-Kermit,
hence the need for system(3) which uses /bin/sh regardless of the user's
login shell.
Thanks for your interest,
Arthur.
Frank da Cruz wrote:
> In article <3C0ABA43.20004@adelaide.edu.au>,
> Arthur Marsh <arthur.marsh@adelaide.edu.au> wrote:
> : Maybe this is time to ask for yet another feature for C-Kermit - an
> : interface to the system(3) call, which is part of XPG4 Unix. That way,
> : serial board-specific command line utilities (such as Stallion's bcstty)
> : could be run from within C-Kermit when kermit is defined as the login
> : shell (system(3) is supposed to use sh and not the login shell from what
> : I've read of the manual pages). NOPUSH should disable this of course,
> : and there may be other security concerns to think about, but it would
> : give C-Kermit some extra functionality and the ability to do more with
> : serial hardware without having to know more about the hardware specifics.
> :
> Doesn't C-Kermit's RUN (!) command take care of this?
>
> - Frank
>
--
Arthur Marsh, Network Support Officer, Information Technology Services
The University of Adelaide SA 5005 Australia
Ph: +61 8 8303 6109, Mobile: +61 414 260 077
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On 30 Nov 2001 14:17:44 GMT, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote:
-In article <3c075082.1810713@news.ision.net.uk>,
-Rob S <robatwork@REMOVEmail.com> wrote:
-
-: We use C-Kermit v6 on SCO...
-:
-SCO what?
Did anyone else read this as Frank being cheeky?
Anyway thanks for the tips ref Kermit 8 - I'll try that first and then get back
to you with the other info if reqd.
regards
-Rob
robatwork at mail dot com
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In article <3c0b7e64.15764247@news.ision.net.uk>,
Rob S <robatwork@REMOVEmail.com> wrote:
: On 30 Nov 2001 14:17:44 GMT,
: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote:
: -In article <3c075082.1810713@news.ision.net.uk>,
: - Rob S <robatwork@REMOVEmail.com> wrote:
: -: We use C-Kermit v6 on SCO...
: -:
: -SCO what?
:
: Did anyone else read this as Frank being cheeky?
:
Not at all. C-Kermit presently supports:
SCO XENIX 2.3.4
SCO UNIX 3.2v4.x
SCO OSR5.0.0-6a
UnixWare 1.0-7.1
Open UNIX 8.00
Each of these OS's (and often each version of each OS) it its own
little world. See:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckubwr.html#x3.6
- Frank
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <3C0AE075.3000601@adelaide.edu.au>,
Arthur Marsh <arthur.marsh@adelaide.edu.au> wrote:
: No, C-Kermit's run uses the shell currently defined for the user. If
: C-Kermit is defined as the login shell (useful for some situations),
: there isn't access to running other executables from within C-Kermit,
: hence the need for system(3) which uses /bin/sh regardless of the user's
: login shell.
:
For that you can do:
run /bin/sh -c "command arg1 arg2 ..."
Having separate RUN commands that select the user's preferred shell vs
/bin/sh would be no less obscure than this.
- Frank
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On 30 Nov 2001 14:17:44 GMT, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote:
-If not, maybe I can add support for it before the final 8.0 release if you
-send me the command set.
Frank,
Do you mean the specs that the modem adheres to, or a full list of every command
the thing supports?
rgds
-Rob
robatwork at mail dot com
From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Dec 3 11:16:57 EST 2001
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <3c0ba409.25401144@news.ision.net.uk>,
Rob S <robatwork@REMOVEmail.com> wrote:
: On 30 Nov 2001 14:17:44 GMT,
: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote:
:
: -If not, maybe I can add support for it before the final 8.0 release if you
: -send me the command set.
:
: Do you mean the specs that the modem adheres to, or a full list of every
: command the thing supports?
:
Start Kermit 8.0, type "set modem type usrobotics" (or whatever, some
specific modem type), and then type "show modem". See all the commands.
Send me a list of the corresponding commands for your modem. Or send me,
or point me to, a command manual for the modem (most modern modems have
command references on the Web).
Better yet, try the commands out yourself first, using SET MODEM TYPE
USER-DEFINED and then giving all the SET MODEM COMMAND commands needed to
define the the modem.
- Frank
From dold@04.usenet.us.com Mon Dec 3 15:42:25 EST 2001
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Rob S <robatwork@removemail.com> wrote:
: On 30 Nov 2001 14:17:44 GMT, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote:
: -In article <3c075082.1810713@news.ision.net.uk>,
: -Rob S <robatwork@REMOVEmail.com> wrote:
: -
: -: We use C-Kermit v6 on SCO...
: -:
: -SCO what?
: Did anyone else read this as Frank being cheeky?
Curt, perhaps. But with my own past experience with SCO, and it's endless
string of incompatible products eventually driving it into oblivion, one
needs to know not only the full name of a product, but the revision to have
any hope of knowing what simple programs will run, much less a complex
product like Kermit.
My last SCO product was SCO/Unixware 7.0.1
The list of products that wouldn't run there, or even recompile from
source, that used to run on SCO Unixware 2.1, was large.
--
---
Clarence A Dold - dold@email.rahul.net
- Pope Valley (Napa County) CA.
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Rob S <robatwork@removemail.com> wrote:
: On 30 Nov 2001 14:17:44 GMT, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote:
: -In article <3c075082.1810713@news.ision.net.uk>,
: -Rob S <robatwork@REMOVEmail.com> wrote:
: -
: -: We use C-Kermit v6 on SCO...
: -:
: -SCO what?
: Did anyone else read this as Frank being cheeky?
Curt, perhaps. But with my own past experience with SCO, and it's endless
string of incompatible products eventually driving it into oblivion, one
needs to know not only the full name of a product, but the revision to have
any hope of knowing what simple programs will run, much less a complex
product like Kermit.
My last SCO product was SCO/Unixware 7.0.1
The list of products that wouldn't run there, or even recompile from
source, that used to run on SCO Unixware 2.1, was large.
--
---
Clarence A Dold - dold@email.rahul.net
- Pope Valley (Napa County) CA.
From arthur.marsh@adelaide.edu.au Mon Dec 3 18:07:05 EST 2001
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Hi, I just tried it:
(/home/userwithckermitasshell/) C-Kermit>run /bin/sh -c "ls -al"
"/bin/sh -c "ls -al"" - invalid command-line option, type "kermit -h"
for help
(/home/userwithckermitasshell/) C-Kermit>
Regards,
Arthur.
Frank da Cruz wrote:
> In article <3C0AE075.3000601@adelaide.edu.au>,
> Arthur Marsh <arthur.marsh@adelaide.edu.au> wrote:
> : No, C-Kermit's run uses the shell currently defined for the user. If
> : C-Kermit is defined as the login shell (useful for some situations),
> : there isn't access to running other executables from within C-Kermit,
> : hence the need for system(3) which uses /bin/sh regardless of the user's
> : login shell.
> :
> For that you can do:
>
> run /bin/sh -c "command arg1 arg2 ..."
>
> Having separate RUN commands that select the user's preferred shell vs
> /bin/sh would be no less obscure than this.
>
> - Frank
>
--
Arthur Marsh, Network Support Officer, Information Technology Services
The University of Adelaide SA 5005 Australia
Ph: +61 8 8303 6109, Mobile: +61 414 260 077
From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Dec 3 18:07:18 EST 2001
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Problems with C-Kermit, modems, Unix, dialling....
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In article <3C0C02C6.40408@adelaide.edu.au>,
Arthur Marsh <arthur.marsh@adelaide.edu.au> wrote:
: Hi, I just tried it:
:
: (/home/userwithckermitasshell/) C-Kermit>run /bin/sh -c "ls -al"
: "/bin/sh -c "ls -al"" - invalid command-line option, type "kermit -h"
: for help
: (/home/userwithckermitasshell/) C-Kermit>
:
Something must be messed up -- Oh, I see: you have Kermit as your login
shell. OK, this is an extremely fine point; if you're really interested,
let's discuss it after C-Kermit 8.0 is released (hopefully within a week).
- Frank
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Rob S <robatwork@removemail.com> wrote:
> On 30 Nov 2001 14:17:44 GMT, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote:
> -In article <3c075082.1810713@news.ision.net.uk>,
> -Rob S <robatwork@REMOVEmail.com> wrote:
> -
> -: We use C-Kermit v6 on SCO...
> -:
> -SCO what?
> Did anyone else read this as Frank being cheeky?
No, not at all. Here's why:
There is no operating system named SCO. However there is (or until
recently was) a COMPANY named SCO that happened to have produced several
different operating systems over the years. These operating systems
__are not all the same__, and as such one needs to know WHICH ONE you
mean before one can give a meaningful answer.
--
---- Fred Smith -- fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us -----------------------------
The Lord detests the way of the wicked
but he loves those who pursue righteousness.
----------------------------- Proverbs 15:9 (niv) -----------------------------
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On 3 Dec 2001 14:37:57 GMT, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote:
-: -:
-: -SCO what?
-:
-: Did anyone else read this as Frank being cheeky?
-:
-Not at all. C-Kermit presently supports:
-
I think sarcasm does not come across usenet. I read your reply as "So what?"
Never mind!
I've sent Frank the modem's specs via email, and will be testing v8 today. Other
info is that the SCO (Caldera of course) version is OpenServer 5.0.5 and 5.0.6a
running on a (certified!) Acer Altos with 2 standard serial ports.
-Rob
robatwork at mail dot com
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From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Problems With File Transfer And Scripting
Date: 4 Dec 2001 11:29:50 -0500
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This one goes back to October, sorry... Very busy here!
: I need to connect to approximately 360 voice mail servers (running
: UNIX System V/386 Release 3.0 80486) and transfer one small file (500
: bytes) from each machine back to an AIX box for processing. I am
: using an external NEC 9635 E modem to dial each of these servers. The
: modem type I am using is "generic-high-speed".
:
: The versions of C-Kermit being used are as follows:
:
: C-Kermit 7.0.196, 1 Jan 2000, for IBM AIX 4.3
: C-Kermit, 4C(058) 19 Mar 86, Unisys PulsePoint Communications
:
: I am running into a few problems trying to get this to work.
:
: 1) While trying to transfer a file, I am getting timeout errors (e.g.
: Last Error: Timeout 13 sec) on some boxes. This occurs even when I
: attempt to manually login and transfer the files (with Kermit of
: course).
:
The logs you sent show that C-Kermit is sending even parity. Is this
appropriate in the failing cases?
The packet log shows that the remote Kermit (the unknown PulsePoint one)
doesn't like I-packets. If you upgrade your C-Kermit version 7.0 to
C-Kermit 8.0, you can tell it to:
set send i-packets off
But in any case, your packet log shows that the remote (PulsePoint) Kermit
doesn't receive even one packet it understands, so my guess is that even
parity is not appropriate in this case.
- Frank
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Rob S <robatwork@removemail.com> wrote:
> On 3 Dec 2001 14:37:57 GMT, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote:
> -: -:
> -: -SCO what?
> -:
> -: Did anyone else read this as Frank being cheeky?
> -:
> -Not at all. C-Kermit presently supports:
> I think sarcasm does not come across usenet. I read your reply as "So what?"
> Never mind!
Let me try to explain: Those of us who read newsgroups a lot (not only
kermit's, but especially unix groups in general) have grown somewhat
weary of people saying "I'm running SCO and <something> is broken, please
fix it" kind of things. It has been pointed out again and again and...
that there is no OS named SCO, please give details.
Please understand that Frank has also been on the receiving end of similar
statements many times. given the amount of abuse people spew on the net,
I'm amazed that Frank continues to be as polite and helpful as he is, I
surely wouldn't be able to stay as cool.
So, anyway, no he wasn't being cheeky, but he was being a bit terse, surely
because of the tedium of having to explain the SCO issue over and over and...
Sorry, Frank for butting in, I hope you don't mind me treading a bit
close to your toes!
--
---- Fred Smith -- fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us -----------------------------
The eyes of the Lord are everywhere,
keeping watch on the wicked and the good.
----------------------------- Proverbs 15:3 (niv) -----------------------------
From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Dec 5 09:26:55 EST 2001
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: UUCP lockfile name for SVR4
Date: 5 Dec 2001 00:52:58 GMT
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System V R4 creates UUCP lockfile names that are based on the device
number rather than the device name, to sidestep issues about multiple
names for the same device, symlinks, etc. The code in Kermit is:
stat(ttdev,&devbuf);
...
sprintf(lockfil,"LK.%03d.%03d.%03d", /* safe */
major(devbuf.st_dev), /* inode */
major(devbuf.st_rdev), /* major device number */
minor(devbuf.st_rdev)); /* minor device number */
Unfortunately I don't recall where this code came from, but it dates
from before C-Kermit 5A was released. As you can see, one of the lines
has a comment that does not agree with the code:
major(devbuf.st_dev), /* inode */
Is the code wrong, or the comment? I suspect it's the comment but
unfortunately, I can't seem to locate a definitive reference for the SVR4
lockfile name format (for example, it is not discussed in SVID), nor sample
"official" SVR4 code (e.g. from cu or uucp). Can anybody supply these?
And/or verify that Kermit properly interlocks with cu on (say) Solaris or
SINIX?
Thanks!
- Frank
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From: andy@tipas.lt (Andrey Bondar)
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Subject: Re: UUCP lockfile name for SVR4
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fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote in message news:<9ujr5a$17p$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>...
> System V R4 creates UUCP lockfile names that are based on the device
> number rather than the device name, to sidestep issues about multiple
> names for the same device, symlinks, etc. The code in Kermit is:
>
> stat(ttdev,&devbuf);
> ...
> sprintf(lockfil,"LK.%03d.%03d.%03d", /* safe */
> major(devbuf.st_dev), /* inode */
> major(devbuf.st_rdev), /* major device number */
> minor(devbuf.st_rdev)); /* minor device number */
>
> Unfortunately I don't recall where this code came from, but it dates
> from before C-Kermit 5A was released. As you can see, one of the lines
> has a comment that does not agree with the code:
>
> major(devbuf.st_dev), /* inode */
>
> Is the code wrong, or the comment? I suspect it's the comment but
> unfortunately, I can't seem to locate a definitive reference for the SVR4
> lockfile name format (for example, it is not discussed in SVID), nor sample
> "official" SVR4 code (e.g. from cu or uucp). Can anybody supply these?
> And/or verify that Kermit properly interlocks with cu on (say) Solaris or
> SINIX?
>
> Thanks!
>
> - Frank
Look at Gert Doering's mgetty source. It contains SVR4-style locking code.
http://alpha.greenie.net/mgetty
Andrey Bondar, SysAdmin,
T.I.P.A.S. Ltd., Lithuania
From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Dec 5 10:14:15 EST 2001
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: UUCP lockfile name for SVR4
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In article <e843e207.0112050039.104d1565@posting.google.com>,
Andrey Bondar <andy@tipas.lt> wrote:
: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote
: in message news:<9ujr5a$17p$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>...
:
: > System V R4 ... UUCP lockfile names...
:
: Look at Gert Doering's mgetty source. It contains SVR4-style locking code.
: http://alpha.greenie.net/mgetty
:
Thanks. Kermit's code agrees with mgetty's, so I guess the comment is wrong.
As indedependent confirmation, I suppose that if the code had been wrong for
ten years (which is how old it is) I would have heard about it by now...
- Frank
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From: dold@88.usenet.us.com
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Subject: Re: UUCP lockfile name for SVR4
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Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
: In article <e843e207.0112050039.104d1565@posting.google.com>,
: Andrey Bondar <andy@tipas.lt> wrote:
: : fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote
: : in message news:<9ujr5a$17p$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>...
: :
: : > System V R4 ... UUCP lockfile names...
: :
: : Look at Gert Doering's mgetty source. It contains SVR4-style locking code.
: : http://alpha.greenie.net/mgetty
: :
: Thanks. Kermit's code agrees with mgetty's, so I guess the comment is wrong.
: As indedependent confirmation, I suppose that if the code had been wrong for
: ten years (which is how old it is) I would have heard about it by now...
10 years? I suppose that's about right, which would explain why I can't
break enough cobwebs. I might still have some of my "official SVR4" code
at home... I did make some locking changes in uugetty, and kermit used to
work on the Unisys and Unixware SVR4 platforms.
I recall that these three elements combine to uniquely identify a single
inode across file systems. Doesn't the first element reflect the file
system where the device inode resides?
So the comment "inode" is right, in that it refers to the
inode number of the mounted device, it could just be expanded a little.
Even if you don't have any modems, can't you still test the locking on your
SVR4 platform?
--
---
Clarence A Dold - dold@email.rahul.net
- Pope Valley (Napa County) CA.
From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Dec 5 13:10:58 EST 2001
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: UUCP lockfile name for SVR4
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In article <9ulm9i$f74$1@samba.rahul.net>, <dold@88.usenet.us.com> wrote:
: 10 years? I suppose that's about right, which would explain why I can't
: break enough cobwebs. I might still have some of my "official SVR4"
: code at home... I did make some locking changes in uugetty, and kermit
: used to work on the Unisys and Unixware SVR4 platforms.
:
: I recall that these three elements combine to uniquely identify a single
: inode across file systems. Doesn't the first element reflect the file
: system where the device inode resides? So the comment "inode" is right,
: in that it refers to the inode number of the mounted device, it could
: just be expanded a little.
:
It's apparently st_dev, not st_ino. The latter would be within a file
system, whereas the former (I think) identifies the file system itself.
which is sort of what you said.
: Even if you don't have any modems, can't you still test the locking on
: your SVR4 platform?
:
My multi-OS PC is "in the shop" at the moment. I tried this on our
central big Solaris systems, but none of them have the UUCP programs
installed. I tried it on a SINIX box that I own, but could not make cu
open the line -- it's the usual ridiculous mess with the Systems and
Devices file, and even when I (think I) got that right, apparently cu
STILL won't open the device and create the lockfile if nothing appears to
be plugged into the port -- it just sits there for a long time and then
times out. After an hour or two of this (plus consulting SVID for both
SVR3 and SVR4 and searching the Web), I figured I'd just ask.
- Frank
From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Dec 5 14:18:37 EST 2001
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Need access to DU 3.2 and Tru64 5.x for C-Kermit 8.0
Date: 5 Dec 2001 19:18:14 GMT
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In the last moments before the final release of C-Kermit 8.0:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80.html
I'm receiving reports about difficulties building it on Digital Unix 3.2
(and presumably earlier DU and OSF/1 versions), as well as bizarre problems
at runtime in Tru64 5.x when the binary itself was built under 5.x, but
not with a binary built from the same source on (say) 4.0F. I need Telnet
and FTP access to Tru64 5.x so I can figure out what's wrong, and I'd also
like to be able to get at 3.x and earlier systems so I can make sure Kermit
builds and runs correctly on them too (the ones I used to have access to
are now gone). If you can help, pls send email. Thanks!
Frank da Cruz
The Kermit Project
Columbia University
fdc@columbia.edu
From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Dec 5 14:26:07 EST 2001
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: C-Kermit 8.0 on AIX 5.1
Date: 5 Dec 2001 19:25:33 GMT
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C-Kermit 8.0 will be released within a few days, barring unforeseen
difficulties:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80.html
I still have not heard from anybody who has tried it on AIX 5.1. Many
people have said that there is no point trying it, because if it works
in AIX 4.3, it will work in 5.1. I am not so optimistic. Kermit touches
parts of the OS that few other applications applications touch, and in
the past, changes have been necessary for every AIX release. Could
somebody please download it, try building it ("make aix51"), and let me
know what happens? Alternatively, if I could have a guest ID on a
network accessible AIX 5.1 system, I'll do it myself.
Thanks!
Frank da Cruz
The Kermit Project
Columbia University
fdc@columbia.edu
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From: jum@anubis.han.de (Jens-Uwe Mager)
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On 5 Dec 2001 19:25:33 GMT, Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>C-Kermit 8.0 will be released within a few days, barring unforeseen
>difficulties:
>
> http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80.html
>
>I still have not heard from anybody who has tried it on AIX 5.1. Many
>people have said that there is no point trying it, because if it works
>in AIX 4.3, it will work in 5.1. I am not so optimistic. Kermit touches
>parts of the OS that few other applications applications touch, and in
>the past, changes have been necessary for every AIX release. Could
>somebody please download it, try building it ("make aix51"), and let me
>know what happens? Alternatively, if I could have a guest ID on a
>network accessible AIX 5.1 system, I'll do it myself.
It builds fine, no problem. Simple things work, although I have no
serial device or modem connected to test serial support.
--
Jens-Uwe Mager <pgp-mailto:62CFDB25>
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From: fred smith <fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us>
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Rob S <robatwork@removemail.com> wrote:
> On 3 Dec 2001 14:37:57 GMT, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote:
> -: -:
> -: -SCO what?
> -:
> -: Did anyone else read this as Frank being cheeky?
> -:
> -Not at all. C-Kermit presently supports:
> I think sarcasm does not come across usenet. I read your reply as "So what?"
> Never mind!
Let me try to explain: Those of us who read newsgroups a lot (not only
kermit's, but especially unix groups in general) have grown somewhat
weary of people saying "I'm running SCO and <something> is broken, please
fix it" kind of things. It has been pointed out again and again and...
that there is no OS named SCO, please give details.
Please understand that Frank has also been on the receiving end of similar
statements many times. given the amount of abuse people spew on the net,
I'm amazed that Frank continues to be as polite and helpful as he is, I
surely wouldn't be able to stay as cool.
So, anyway, no he wasn't being cheeky, but he was being a bit terse, surely
because of the tedium of having to explain the SCO issue over and over and...
Sorry, Frank for butting in, I hope you don't mind me treading a bit
close to your toes!
--
---- Fred Smith -- fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us -----------------------------
The eyes of the Lord are everywhere,
keeping watch on the wicked and the good.
----------------------------- Proverbs 15:3 (niv) -----------------------------
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Rob S <robatwork@removemail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 4 Dec 2001 23:59:36 GMT, fred smith <fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us>
> wrote:
> -Let me try to explain: Those of us who read newsgroups a lot (not only
> Let *me* try to explain too then, although a joke explained isn't much of a
> joke. Frank said "SCO what?" I read that initially as "So what?" That's it. No
> technical minutiae. Nada. Does no-one remember Tommy Cooper?
> Anyway Frank is being v helpful offgroup, as I know you're trying to be Fred.
> But if you're butting in AND treading on his toes you must be some kind of
> contortionist. Oops, here we go again............................
butting out....
No, I'm not in good enough shape to try contortionism! :^)
> Is this where I ask how kermit got its name?
Probably discussed on the kermit web site, somewhere.
--
---- Fred Smith -- fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us -----------------------------
"For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged
sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow;
it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart."
---------------------------- Hebrews 4:12 (niv) ------------------------------
From fdc@columbia.edu Thu Dec 6 15:08:30 EST 2001
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From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Can't open("/dev/tty",O_RDWR) in RH7.1/ia64
Date: 6 Dec 2001 14:09:55 -0500
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In the following program:
extern int errno;
main() {
int fd;
errno = 0;
fd = open("/dev/tty",2);
printf("fd = %d\n",fd);
printf("errno = %d\n",errno);
}
open() returns -1 with errno = 6 ("No such device or address")
on the following platform:
uname -a:
Linux spe190 2.4.9-12smp #1 SMP Tue Oct 30 17:55:42 EST 2001 ia64 unknown
/etc/issue:
Red Hat Linux release 7.1 (Seawolf)
Kernel 2.4.9-12smp on a 4-processor ia64
Of course there is such a device or address:
ls -l /dev/tty:
crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 5, 0 Dec 5 12:28 /dev/tty
This prevents me from getting Kermit to work on this platform. I tried
simply substituing '0' as a file descriptor if open() fails, but then
subsequent calls to tcsetattr(), etc, fail with "Bad file descriptor".
Does anybody know what's up?
- Frank
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> open() returns -1 with errno = 6 ("No such device or address")
> on the following platform:
Can you interact with /dev/tty? For instance, can you type "cat
/dev/tty", type things and see them echo'd back?
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Subject: Re: Can't open("/dev/tty",O_RDWR) in RH7.1/ia64
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In article <3C101149.5050103@redhat.com>,
Michael Lee Yohe <myohe+USENET@redhat.com> wrote:
: > open() returns -1 with errno = 6 ("No such device or address")
: > on the following platform:
:
: Can you interact with /dev/tty? For instance, can you type "cat
: /dev/tty", type things and see them echo'd back?
:
When I first log in (over Telnet):
Warning: no access to tty (Inappropriate ioctl for device).
Thus no job control in this shell.
Then:
spe190> cat > /dev/tty
/dev/tty: No such device or address.
spe190>
Also, somebody else suggested that, despite the "man 2 open" statement:
mode should always be specified when O_CREAT is in the
flags, and is ignored otherwise.
I should include the third argument:
#include <stdio.h>
extern int errno;
main() {
int fd;
errno = 0;
fd = open("/dev/tty",2,0);
if (fd < 1) {
printf("fd = %d\n",fd);
printf("errno = %d\n",errno);
perror("/dev/tty");
exit(1);
} else {
printf("OK\n");
exit(0);
}
}
Result (same as before):
fd = -1
errno = 6
/dev/tty: No such device or address
Again, the platform details:
uname -a:
Linux spe190 2.4.9-12smp #1 SMP Tue Oct 30 17:55:42 EST 2001 ia64 unknown
/etc/issue:
Red Hat Linux release 7.1 (Seawolf)
Kernel 2.4.9-12smp on a 4-processor ia64
ls -l /dev/tty:
crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 5, 0 Dec 5 12:28 /dev/tty
Here's another peculiarity I noticed:
cat > open.c
(paste...)
^D
make open
make: *** Warning: File `open.c' has modification time in the future
(2001-12-07 09:39:23 > 2001-12-07 09:38:58)
cc open.c -o open
make: warning: Clock skew detected. Your build may be incomplete.
This is strange because I created the file with cat, so it got the system
time, not some random time from a remote file system.
- Frank
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Subject: Re: Can't open("/dev/tty",O_RDWR) in RH7.1/ia64
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> Warning: no access to tty (Inappropriate ioctl for device).
> Thus no job control in this shell.
No kernel driver is currently providing services for /dev/tty. Do you
have virtual terminal support enabled in your kernel?
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Subject: Re: Can't open("/dev/tty",O_RDWR) in RH7.1/ia64
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In article <3C10EDF1.2050003@redhat.com>,
Michael Lee Yohe <myohe+USENET@redhat.com> wrote:
: > Warning: no access to tty (Inappropriate ioctl for device).
: > Thus no job control in this shell.
:
: No kernel driver is currently providing services for /dev/tty. Do you
: have virtual terminal support enabled in your kernel?
:
It's not my kernel; it's at the Compaq Test Drive site. So you're saying
they have a driver missing that should be there, right? I will let them
know. Thanks.
- Frank
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Subject: Re: Can't open("/dev/tty",O_RDWR) in RH7.1/ia64
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In comp.protocols.kermit.misc Frank da Cruz <fdc@columbia.edu> wrote:
: /etc/issue:
: Red Hat Linux release 7.1 (Seawolf)
: Kernel 2.4.9-12smp on a 4-processor ia64
...
: make open
: make: *** Warning: File `open.c' has modification time in the future
: (2001-12-07 09:39:23 > 2001-12-07 09:38:58)
: cc open.c -o open
: make: warning: Clock skew detected. Your build may be incomplete.
I had the same make "future" oddity very often with Linux 7.0
I don't recall seeing the message that actually shows the times.
The build completed, and I could never see that the times were bad.
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> It's not my kernel; it's at the Compaq Test Drive site. So you're saying
> they have a driver missing that should be there, right? I will let them
> know. Thanks.
That would be my _guess_ - an inappropriate ioctl call usually indicates
that a function in the kernel is missing or is expecting something else.
Kind of vague - but seeing their kernel configuration would give some
clues nonetheless.
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In article <9uqv8g$h7l$1@samba.rahul.net>, <dold@45.usenet.us.com> wrote:
: In comp.protocols.kermit.misc Frank da Cruz <fdc@columbia.edu> wrote:
: : /etc/issue:
: : Red Hat Linux release 7.1 (Seawolf)
: : Kernel 2.4.9-12smp on a 4-processor ia64
: ...
: : make open
: : make: *** Warning: File `open.c' has modification time in the future
: : (2001-12-07 09:39:23 > 2001-12-07 09:38:58)
: : cc open.c -o open
: : make: warning: Clock skew detected. Your build may be incomplete.
:
: I had the same make "future" oddity very often with Linux 7.0
: I don't recall seeing the message that actually shows the times.
: The build completed, and I could never see that the times were bad.
:
It's probably something to do with time_t changing from 32 to 64 bits.
Some software uses the old one, some uses the new? The effect might be
more pronounced on 64-bit architectures. Or not.
- Frank
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> : : make: *** Warning: File `open.c' has modification time in the future
>
> It's probably something to do with time_t changing from 32 to 64 bits.
> Some software uses the old one, some uses the new? The effect might be
> more pronounced on 64-bit architectures. Or not.
More like they are mounting a drive located on a different server and
both the servers are not sync'd to each other's time. When I save a
file to a share, it inherits the current time of the file server, not
the local machine.
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>When I first log in (over Telnet):
>
> Warning: no access to tty (Inappropriate ioctl for device).
> Thus no job control in this shell.
Ah! You are using telnet. I submitted a bug to redhat's bugzilla a few
weeks ago about telnetd very seldom (if ever) providing a controlling
tty, and lots of other people piled on saying they have the same problem.
Don't know if there is a fix, but I have found that sshd doesn't have
the problem. If you can get into the linux box via ssh, you should have
a proper controlling tty, and maybe even a /dev/tty that works.
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fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
>In article <3C101149.5050103@redhat.com>,
>Michael Lee Yohe <myohe+USENET@redhat.com> wrote:
>: > open() returns -1 with errno = 6 ("No such device or address")
>: > on the following platform:
>:
>: Can you interact with /dev/tty? For instance, can you type "cat
>: /dev/tty", type things and see them echo'd back?
>:
>When I first log in (over Telnet):
>
> Warning: no access to tty (Inappropriate ioctl for device).
> Thus no job control in this shell.
>
>Then:
>
> spe190> cat > /dev/tty
> /dev/tty: No such device or address.
> spe190>
[ snip ]
>Again, the platform details:
>
>uname -a:
> Linux spe190 2.4.9-12smp #1 SMP Tue Oct 30 17:55:42 EST 2001 ia64 unknown
>
>/etc/issue:
> Red Hat Linux release 7.1 (Seawolf)
> Kernel 2.4.9-12smp on a 4-processor ia64
A search on RedHat's errata pages shows a bug advisory (RHBA-2001-153)
issued 13 November, but updated today, about this same symptom (but with
tcsh and login.) Seems that login was not always assigning a controlling
TTY for the session, which would make most use of "/dev/tty" somewhat less
than useful.
http://www.redhat.com/support/errata/RHBA-2001-153.html
[ snip ]
>Here's another peculiarity I noticed:
>
> cat > open.c
> (paste...)
> ^D
> make open
> make: *** Warning: File `open.c' has modification time in the future
> (2001-12-07 09:39:23 > 2001-12-07 09:38:58)
> cc open.c -o open
> make: warning: Clock skew detected. Your build may be incomplete.
>
>This is strange because I created the file with cat, so it got the system
>time, not some random time from a remote file system.
Hm. The NTP daemon stepping a too-fast clock backwards?
>- Frank
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> : > Warning: no access to tty (Inappropriate ioctl for device).
> : > Thus no job control in this shell.
> :
> : No kernel driver is currently providing services for /dev/tty. Do you
> : have virtual terminal support enabled in your kernel?
> :
> It's not my kernel; it's at the Compaq Test Drive site. So you're saying
> they have a driver missing that should be there, right? I will let them
> know. Thanks.
Hi, Frank - here's an update. I took James's advice and signed up for
an account on the testdrive machine you're using. Here's what I've come
up with:
/bin/csh is the default shell that they assign you when they create the
account. Using "ypchsh", you can change your shell from /bin/csh to
/bin/bash.
Log out - and log back in (now using /bin/bash as the shell), the tty
services now work. I would have to say there might be a fault in the
way csh is trying to make the ioctl() call to the kernel.
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From fdc@columbia.edu Sat Dec 8 12:21:53 EST 2001
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From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <uher2fz34.fsf@worldnet.att.net>,
Thomas A. Horsley <Tom.Horsley@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
: ...
: Ah! You are using telnet. I submitted a bug to redhat's bugzilla a few
: weeks ago about telnetd very seldom (if ever) providing a controlling
: tty, and lots of other people piled on saying they have the same problem.
: Don't know if there is a fix, but I have found that sshd doesn't have
: the problem. If you can get into the linux box via ssh, you should have
: a proper controlling tty, and maybe even a /dev/tty that works.
:
Except that the object isn't to log in to Red Hat 7.2, it's to make Kermit
file transfer work. When in remote mode (e.g. on the far end of a Telnet
connection), Kermit has to open "/dev/tty" so it can do ioctl's or whatever
on the file descriptor to put it into and out of raw mode. In this case I
can't open /dev/tty ("No such device or address"), so if instead I just use
0 as the file descriptor, subsequent ioctl's (or tcsetattr(), whatever)
fail with "Bad file descriptor". Anyway, as others have pointed out by
now, there's a bug in Red Hat 7.x /bin/login (for which a patch exists) and
the problem supposedly does not occur if you use bash instead of csh or
tcsh (but I can't verify this today because the site is down or off the
net).
- Frank
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On Sat, 8 Dec 2001 05:47:58, "Patrick F. Clarin"
<clarinpa@msu.edu> wrote:
+ I'm sure this is gonna be confusing but believe me, two anyone who
+ knows what they're doing I'm betting it's gonna be easy for you.
+ I'm sort of a newbie still, I have an older computer with a 20 gig
+ HD with a lot of data I want to save (about 6 gigs worth). I have
+ a newer computer with only a 2 gig hd with a little info I want to
+ save (about 50 MD worth).
+
+ How do I network them and move the smaller amount of data too the
+ larger hd?
+
+ I'm running RH 7.2 on both computers. They are both connected to a
+ LAN with a cable/dsl router so they both can ping each other.
+ I'm sure this sounds dumb but any help would be appreciated.
+ Thanks
You *are* networked if you can ping.
If you need to x-fer entire directory trees I recommend c-kermit 7+
with the 'GET /RECURSIVE' or 'SEND /RECURSIVE' commands. There is
more than likely a copy of c-kermit with your distrib. However, you
may download the latest stable release from the project here:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html#download
Or check your favorite Red Hat mirror for updated RPM's. If you find
you like c-kermit then by all means *buy the manual*. It's how these
guys keep the project going plus it has all the instructions.
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>Anyway, as others have pointed out by now, there's a bug in Red Hat 7.x
>/bin/login (for which a patch exists) and the problem supposedly does not
>occur if you use bash instead of csh or tcsh (but I can't verify this today
>because the site is down or off the net).
Well, I just downloaded the patch for my rh 7.1 system (not on an IA-64,
mind you :-), and it does seem to work fine (although I don't know where
they got the idea it only happened with tcsh - it happened to me with
bash all the time, but the patch seems to fix it for bash as well).
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From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Last chance: C-Kermit 8.0
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The C-Kermit 8.0 final builds will start tomorrow (Sunday) morning,
December 9th:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80.html
The source code is here:
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/tar/x.tar.gz (and .Z)
Take one last look if you wish. If nothing terrible surfaces, the only
change will be to remove "RC.3" (Release Candidate 3) from the herald.
Recent changes are listed at the bottom of the ckc200.txt file, which
is included in the tar archive.
- Frank
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I was working on writing a Kermit success story earlier, but
lapsed into blathering. What's your expectation of how long (or
short, in my case) one of these things would be?
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In article <9v3u720201t@enews2.newsguy.com>,
Grinder <grinder@no.spam.maam.com> wrote:
: I was working on writing a Kermit success story earlier...
:
Thanks, we still these! I'd especially like to start getting some
feedback on the security and automation features, the new FTP and
HTTP clients, etc. People tell us when something doesn't work, but
we rarely hear when our stuff "just works", or what good it's doing
out in the world, and we happen to need to that kind of feedback at
the moment.
: but lapsed into blathering. What's your expectation of how long
: (or short, in my case) one of these things would be?
:
Any length at all is fine. Short ones can be posted on pages like:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/tsreviews.html
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95reviews.html#users
Longer ones can become pages in themselves and/or articles in a
future Kermit News issue. And of course pieces of any length will
be included with our (internal) annual report.
If you want to send a draft, maybe we could help with the direction
it's taking?
Thanks!
- Frank
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From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: C-Kermit 8.0 binaries
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We expect to announce C-Kermit 8.0 this week:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80.html
The source code is frozen, and over the past several days we've been putting
together a repository of prebuilt C-Kermit 8.0 binaries. So far it has 190
entries, which you can see listed in a New And Improved Table:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80binaries.html
I'd like to collect as many more as possible prior to the announcement,
so if you can make one that's not listed, I'd appreciate it if you could
download the appropriate source-code package:
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/tar/cku200.tar.gz <-- Unix Gunzip
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/tar/cku200.tar.Z <-- Unix Uncompress
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/tar/ckv200.zip <-- VMS Unzip -a
build, and upload the resulting binary to:
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/incoming/
using filename conventions like the other binaries. We'll keep the table up
to date, so nobody will be tricked into building a binary that's not needed.
In the meantime we'll be updating the many ancillary files and Web pages for
completeness, accuracy, consistency, etc.
Thanks!
- Frank
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"Frank da Cruz" <fdc@columbia.edu> wrote in message
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> If you want to send a draft, maybe we could help with the
direction
> it's taking?
Thanks, I will. I'm having a tech writer take a look at it
first, though--I don't want to look like a _gold-plated_ idiot.
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Frank da Cruz <fdc@columbia.edu> wrote:
> We expect to announce C-Kermit 8.0 this week:
> http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80.html
> The source code is frozen, and over the past several days we've been putting
> together a repository of prebuilt C-Kermit 8.0 binaries. So far it has 190
> entries, which you can see listed in a New And Improved Table:
> http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80binaries.html
Have you ever looked into building Kermit for Linux on System/390 or
MVS OpenEdition (a POSIX-like environment on System/390)? I tried building
the MVS OpenEdition one with the Posix makefile parameter, and some
sections compiled ok but others got errors/warnings for infinite loop
detection; will see if I can find the exact error again if you're interested in trying it.
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In article <9v879f$4i2$1@og1.olagrande.net>,
Robert J. Rodriguez <robertr@og1.olagrande.net> wrote:
: Frank da Cruz <fdc@columbia.edu> wrote:
: > We expect to announce C-Kermit 8.0 this week:
:
: > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80.html
:
: > The source code is frozen, and over the past several days we've been
: > putting together a repository of prebuilt C-Kermit 8.0 binaries. So far
: > it has 190 entries, which you can see listed in a New And Improved
: > Table:
:
: > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80binaries.html
:
: Have you ever looked into building Kermit for Linux on System/390...
:
There is a SuSE 7.0 S/390 binary in the aforementioned table. That's the
only one I have (temporary) access to.
: ... or MVS OpenEdition (a POSIX-like environment on System/390)? I tried
: building the MVS OpenEdition one with the Posix makefile parameter, and
: some sections compiled ok but others got errors/warnings for infinite loop
: detection; will see if I can find the exact error again if you're
: interested in trying it.
:
Sure, I'm interested. Either send me make session transcripts or, better
yet, if I can get login access I can adapt it myself.
Meanwhile, visit:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80binaries.html
and see how it has grown since yesterday. We're keeping it up to the
minute, so if you are able to build anything not in the table, please do
so and send in the binary (or if you have trouble, send the error listing).
Thanks!
- Frank
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I would like to be able to use C-Kermit 8.0 on Solaris 7 & 8, Intel and Sparc hardware to support VT300/400 terminal emulation.
I would appreciate anyone pointing me to a good starting point or reference on how to map the keyboard function keys using an Xterm window under Solaris to support the VT300/400 function keys. Does anyone have an X resource mapping configuration to do this successfully?
Thanks in advance for any and all help.
Lynn
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In article <3C18058F.13A9243B@lanl.gov>, Lynn D. Maas <maas@lanl.gov> wrote:
: I would like to be able to use C-Kermit 8.0 on Solaris 7 & 8, Intel and
: Sparc hardware to support VT300/400 terminal emulation.
:
Sorry, C-Kermit is not a terminal emulator. It's a connection program
that runs *in* your terminal emulator:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckfaq.html#term
: I would appreciate anyone pointing me to a good starting point or reference
: on how to map the keyboard function keys using an Xterm window under Solaris
: to support the VT300/400 function keys. Does anyone have an X resource
: mapping configuration to do this successfully?
:
See:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckubwr.html#x3.7.4
- Frank
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From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: C-Kermit 8.0 files/installation?
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I'm still in a quandary about how to package C-Kermit 8.0.
Previously it came with all sorts of .ini, .txt, and other files,
which few people wanted or knew what to do with.
In C-Kermit 8.0, the initialization file is probably unnecessary
for most people, and the *.txt files have been converted to HTML
and put up on the Kermit website.
Thus, if you download C-Kermit (in some form) from the net, you
can probably also consult the web pages the same way, rather than
installing plain-text versions of them on your computer and
putting them somewhere that nobody can find.
Furthermore, we want the tarball and zip archives to be as small
as possible. If we include all sorts of extra files in them,
they will take much longer to download (e.g. on 56Kb connections)
and most people will be annoyed when they find out why. Separating
into separate taballs for text files and program files, as we have
done in the past, is confusing too.
I'm beginning to convince myself that there is no reason why the
Unix C-Kermit 8.0 tarball should include anything but the source
code, the license, the manual page, and a brief read-me. All the
other stuff is just confusing -- people tend to think they NEED to
install those files or else C-Kermit won't work, which isn't true;
the executable does its job just fine without any external files
at all, and now that its default settings (e.g. file-transfer
performance tuning, 8-bit-cleanliness, etc) are in tune with
modern times, there is little need for anything but the binary
itself, except when users want to do their own customizations.
Thus the Unix "make install" target can be radically simplified,
as can the construction of install packages like RPMs.
Meanwhile, people who are not on the network and who order
C-Kermit on CDROM or tape or whatever will get everything, so
no worries.
Opinions?
- Frank
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How about having the source/license/... tarball and a second tarball
with the .ini files, documentation and the like so that those who want
the "complete" download version can download 2 tarballs rather than 1
tarball and an unknown number of other files?
Regards,
Arthur.
Frank da Cruz wrote:
> I'm still in a quandary about how to package C-Kermit 8.0.
> Previously it came with all sorts of .ini, .txt, and other files,
> which few people wanted or knew what to do with.
...
big snip
...
> Opinions?
>
> - Frank
>
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Frank da Cruz <fdc@columbia.edu> wrote:
: I'm still in a quandary about how to package C-Kermit 8.0.
: Previously it came with all sorts of .ini, .txt, and other files,
: which few people wanted or knew what to do with.
Yep... downloaded many of them... looked at them for scripting examples.
: In C-Kermit 8.0, the initialization file is probably unnecessary
: for most people, and the *.txt files have been converted to HTML
: and put up on the Kermit website.
: I'm beginning to convince myself that there is no reason why the
: Unix C-Kermit 8.0 tarball should include anything but the source
: code, the license, the manual page, and a brief read-me. All the
I've always found the plethora of files, with akward naming and extension
conventions, to be a reminder of the VAX nature hiding in Kermit somewhere.
I would quite gladly skip them all.
Source.zip with only what is required to accomplish a build, with a Readme.
html.zip with a help.htm and everything else one level down, so I can put
help.htm in my kermit directory, and not have a bunch of html pages in that
directory.
The readme should include http: links to various points of interest, and
perhaps iksd login information, to make retrieval of other stuff simple.
The html.zip could be considered both source and binary distribution,
suitable for use in either case.
I must admit I haven't compiled a version of kermit in quite a while for
production use. I get a pre-compiled binary, and only do the compilations
as an assist to a question in this newsgroup.
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On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:37:21, fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote:
[...]
+ Furthermore, we want the tarball and zip archives to be as small
+ as possible. If we include all sorts of extra files in them,
+ they will take much longer to download (e.g. on 56Kb connections)
+ and most people will be annoyed when they find out why. Separating
+ into separate taballs for text files and program files, as we have
+ done in the past, is confusing too.
[...]
+ Opinions?
Yup.
+ - Frank
I'd still like everything available in one or two tarballs. A two
tarball DL won't be confusing with a good, descriptive naming scheme
for each. Or at least a 1STREADME.tarballs that explains everything
about the separate tarballs for those of us that actually do
README's. ;-)
It's great to have something on my system or on a disk that I can
pull up for those times I *don't* have access to the 'net. I have
clients that have *no* or very limited (e-mail only please, no
attachments) internet access in their office. Yikes! Yet they use
c-kermit (because I told them to buy it from you) for remote file
x-fers via modem. I would need *something* to take with me besides
the bare executable (I leave *my* book at the office! ;-). The plain
text files with tips and hints and new or modified commands are a
help here.
Gene <gene@eracc.hypermart.net>
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From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Help with UPS / Serial Ports
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In article <3c197fe9$0$233@hades.is.co.za>,
Peet Grobler <peetgr@absa.co.za> wrote:
:
: "Frank da Cruz" <fdc@columbia.edu> wrote in message
: news:9vabcn$5ln$1@watsol.cc.columbia.edu...
: > In article <3c184adc$0$235@hades.is.co.za>,
: > Peet Grobler <peetgr@absa.co.za> wrote:
: > : One more question:
: > :
: > : So I can go :
: > : echo "A" > /dev/ttyS0
: > : cat /dev/ttyS0
: > :
: > : Will I see the results as returned from the ups?
: > :
: > Suggestion: use C-Kermit:
: >
: > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html
:
: Naah, I'd rather write the program myself. Problem is, I have three boxes
: (four soon) powered by this UPS, and only one can connect directly to the
: UPS. I've got to write a server, and some clients for the other three
: machines, so they all know when to shut down. Besides, it's more fun rollin'
: my own!
:
There's no arguing with that! But...
C-Kermit 8.0, which is being released now, supports RFC 2217 Com Port
Control, which lets you share serial ports over Telnet. An RFC 2217 server
is available for Linux here:
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/sredird/
Run this on the box that connects to the UPS serial port, and then you can
access the UPS from Kermit on the other boxes.
- Frank
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OK, I think I have a pretty workable scheme for deploying C-Kermit 8.0:
cku200src.tar
Unix source files, makefile, man page, license, CA certs.
Uncompressed: 8.8MB
Compressed: 3.2MB
Gzipped: 2.1MB
cku200.tar
Symlink to cku200src.tar (ditto for .Z and .gz)
cku200txt.tar
The standard C-Kermit initialization file and
sample customization file (plain text).
Unix installation instructions, hints and tips files,
configuration options, program logic manual,
and the C-Kermit 7.0 and C-Kermit 8.0 supplements to
"Using C-Kermit" (each of these files is in plain-text
format, dumped from the HTML original).
Uncompressed: 1.9MB
Compressed: 0.7MB
Gzipped: 0.6MB
ckv200src.zip
VMS source files, build script, and license ("unzip -a").
Size: 2.1MB
ckv200txt.zip
Like cku200txt.tar, but for VMS and in "unzip -a" format.
Size: 0.5MB
As of now, all of these are in:
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/tar/
Here is a directory listing:
lrwxrwxrwx 1 fdc 13 Dec 14 16:21 cku200.tar -> cku200src.tar
lrwxrwxrwx 1 fdc 15 Dec 14 16:18 cku200.tar.Z -> cku200src.tar.Z
lrwxrwxrwx 1 fdc 16 Dec 14 16:19 cku200.tar.gz -> cku200src.tar.gz
-rw-rw-r-- 1 fdc 8839168 Dec 14 17:06 cku200src.tar
-rw-rw-r-- 1 fdc 3208131 Dec 14 17:07 cku200src.tar.Z
-rw-rw-r-- 1 fdc 2129824 Dec 14 17:07 cku200src.tar.gz
-rw-rw-r-- 1 fdc 1908736 Dec 14 17:07 cku200txt.tar
-rw-rw-r-- 1 fdc 737111 Dec 14 17:07 cku200txt.tar.Z
-rw-rw-r-- 1 fdc 593977 Dec 14 17:07 cku200txt.tar.gz
lrwxrwxrwx 1 fdc 13 Dec 14 16:19 ckv200.zip -> ckv200src.zip
-rw-rw-r-- 1 fdc 2094347 Dec 14 17:07 ckv200src.zip
-rw-rw-r-- 1 fdc 511291 Dec 14 17:07 ckv200txt.zip
You can download whichever ones you want, plus any desired binaries from:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80binaries.html
More news... Now the makefile:
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/text/makefile
has a brand-new "install" target that, I hope, works to everybody's
satisfaction. It is documented in the newly-updated C-Kermit for Unix
Installation Instructions, Section 5:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckuins.html#x5
which discusses the initialization file, the ancillary files, and the
"make install" target and how to use it (WARNING: some of the file links
on this page might not work as expected because the C-Kermit 8.0 text
files are not yet finalized and therefore have not been installed in their
final resting place, which means you'll get either the 7.0 copies or
nothing at all if it's a new file).
Also note that I made no attempt to package HTML documents. That's because
(a) if you want to view them, you can view them at the Kermit site, and
(b) they probably contain a lot of relative links that would break if you
viewed these pages offsite and out of context.
Many of the information files and web pages are still being worked on.
They are not final, nor are the archive contents. Comments, reactions,
suggestions welcome. Thanks to everybody who commented already, and
special thanks to Peter Eichhorn of Assyst GmbH in Germany for his
contributions to the new makefile targets.
- Frank
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<9vd2iu$l74$1@watsol.cc.columbia.edu> divulged:
>In article <3c197fe9$0$233@hades.is.co.za>,
>Peet Grobler <peetgr@absa.co.za> wrote:
>: I have three boxes (four soon) powered by this UPS, and only one can
>: connect directly to the UPS. I've got to write a server, and some
>: clients for the other three machines, so they all know when to shut
>: down. Besides, it's more fun rollin' my own!
>C-Kermit 8.0, which is being released now, supports RFC 2217 Com Port
>Control, which lets you share serial ports over Telnet.
but only one at a time, right? all `n' systems being supported by the ups
need notification. were you thinking periodic `connect, poll, disconnect'
operations by each client? that could get messy.
--
okay, have a sig then
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From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <9ve1qn3qqm@enews2.newsguy.com>,
those who know me have no need of my name <not-a-real-address@usa.net> wrote:
: <9vd2iu$l74$1@watsol.cc.columbia.edu> divulged:
: >In article <3c197fe9$0$233@hades.is.co.za>,
: >Peet Grobler <peetgr@absa.co.za> wrote:
:
: >: I have three boxes (four soon) powered by this UPS, and only one can
: >: connect directly to the UPS. I've got to write a server, and some
: >: clients for the other three machines, so they all know when to shut
: >: down. Besides, it's more fun rollin' my own!
:
: >C-Kermit 8.0, which is being released now, supports RFC 2217 Com Port
: >Control, which lets you share serial ports over Telnet.
:
: but only one at a time, right? all `n' systems being supported by the ups
: need notification. were you thinking periodic `connect, poll, disconnect'
: operations by each client? that could get messy.
:
Only one process can have a serial port at a time (oversimplified but
you get the idea). So either processes have to take turns, or you have
to write a server that owns the serial port and acts as a mediator for
other processes, perhaps on other hosts, to make queries and get results
or whatever. This approach would probably be most appropriate to this
application, but it's going to be a fair amount of work, so taking turns
with existing tools might be an easier way to get started. It's simple
to script in Kermit: try to open the device; if you fail, sleep for bit
and try again. Once you have it, make your query, get the results,
close it, and sleep for some (perhaps randomized) period of time to give
the others a chance.
- Frank
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Frank da Cruz <fdc@columbia.edu> wrote:
> I'm still in a quandary about how to package C-Kermit 8.0.
> Previously it came with all sorts of .ini, .txt, and other files,
> which few people wanted or knew what to do with.
I've always had a couple of issues with the way C-Kermit is distributed:
1.) all the files in one big directory. Breaking them up in to a few
subdirectories would make a lot more sense (someone else in this thread
mentioned VAX-isms, is this perhaps what he was referring to?). E.g.,
the top level might have the makefile and sources, a subdir for docs,
another subdir for ini files/samples, another subdir for scripting
examples/tools, etc.
Or another possibility would be to have a top-level directory containing
ONLY instructions for how to build and maybe a manifest of what the
other things in the package are, then have everything else including
sources in its own subdirectory, as above. This way it may be easier to
find your way around.
2. The filenames, especially for the human-readable files, are weird and
anything but understandable to someone who isn't in the know (hence the
suggestion above for a 'manifest'). I understand we're trying to fit
into brain-damaged filesystems that only support short names, but....
I don't mind the size of the archive, it's not that awfully big as source
packages go these days. True, it won't fit onto one floppy, but I doubt
it would even if all the "fluff" was removed.
Fred
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In article <9vb3i1$989$1@watsol.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@columbia.edu> wrote:
>
>I'm still in a quandary about how to package C-Kermit 8.0.
>Previously it came with all sorts of .ini, .txt, and other files,
>which few people wanted or knew what to do with.
>
>In C-Kermit 8.0, the initialization file is probably unnecessary
>for most people, and the *.txt files have been converted to HTML
>and put up on the Kermit website.
Comment: Documentation in HTML is nice, "pretty", makes it easy to cross-
reference things. All good reasons for using it.
*HOWEVER*, please don't make it the _only_ form that things are
available in! Sometimes a web-browser is *NOT* 'conveniently
available'. "Plain text" is *universally* readable with simple
tools, and can be much faster to use to find specific info. e.g.,
vi and a '/' search, will have the job done, _before_ a browser
finishes initializing itself.
>
>Thus, if you download C-Kermit (in some form) from the net, you
>can probably also consult the web pages the same way, rather than
>installing plain-text versions of them on your computer and
>putting them somewhere that nobody can find.
As an alternative, consider what Hylafax does -- it provides for customizations
in the Makefile as for where to install the configuration files and secondary
documentation. the makefile target for installing the manpages includes editing
to indicate the _actual_ locations on the installed system.
>
>Furthermore, we want the tarball and zip archives to be as small
>as possible. If we include all sorts of extra files in them,
>they will take much longer to download (e.g. on 56Kb connections)
>and most people will be annoyed when they find out why. Separating
>into separate taballs for text files and program files, as we have
>done in the past, is confusing too.
This is indicative of a 'documentation failure', not a flaw in the approach.
And much easier to remedy. Appropriate language in the release announcement
and the 'download' web-page -- e.g. "downloading the Supplement is _not_
necessary for a working Kermit installation"
>I'm beginning to convince myself that there is no reason why the
>Unix C-Kermit 8.0 tarball should include anything but the source
>code, the license, the manual page, and a brief read-me.
There are a few other 'necessaries', too. see below.
> All the
>other stuff is just confusing -- people tend to think they NEED to
>install those files or else C-Kermit won't work, which isn't true;
>the executable does its job just fine without any external files
>at all, and now that its default settings (e.g. file-transfer
>performance tuning, 8-bit-cleanliness, etc) are in tune with
>modern times, there is little need for anything but the binary
>itself, except when users want to do their own customizations.
>
>Thus the Unix "make install" target can be radically simplified,
>as can the construction of install packages like RPMs.
Absolutely. at most it should have a 'hook' to an _external_ "make install"
for the Supplement
>
>Meanwhile, people who are not on the network and who order
>C-Kermit on CDROM or tape or whatever will get everything, so
>no worries.
>
>Opinions?
Suggest, despite your prior 'confusion' experience, multiple tarballs.
The first one ("core distribution"):
README
INSTALL
license
source-code
manpage
changes (aka "whats new") [ by version, *cumulative*, not just
'new with this version')
known bugs/problems this version (a la the BWR files)
Then, there's going to be a bunch of documentation, etc. that is *not*
'platform-specific', and not essential to proper program operation.
put that in a second tarball (the "supplement").
Lastly, there are things that _are_ platform-specific, e.g. MVS and 7171
front-end mapping issues, VAX-isms, etc. Make a tarball _per_
_platform_ of this stuff. (the 'platform-specific' "Appendix")
A "binary" distribution could then consist of:
README
INSTALL (for binaries)
License
executable(s) and req'd support files (if any)
manpage
changes
known bugs
the O/S-specific "Appendix" (as a "tarball in a tarball" -- the
"installer" routine needs to know *only* how to unpack the tarball,
and _invoke_ the 'make install' (or equivalent) contained therein.)
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From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <GoD8FM.xu@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us>,
fred smith <fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us> wrote:
: Frank da Cruz <fdc@columbia.edu> wrote:
: > I'm still in a quandary about how to package C-Kermit 8.0.
: > Previously it came with all sorts of .ini, .txt, and other files,
: > which few people wanted or knew what to do with.
:
: I've always had a couple of issues with the way C-Kermit is distributed:
:
: 1.) all the files in one big directory. Breaking them up in to a few
: subdirectories would make a lot more sense (someone else in this thread
: mentioned VAX-isms, is this perhaps what he was referring to?). E.g.,
: the top level might have the makefile and sources, a subdir for docs,
: another subdir for ini files/samples, another subdir for scripting
: examples/tools, etc.
:
This is an option with the new "make install" target:
make DESTDIR=/opt/kermit BINDIR=/bin SRCDIR=/src INFODIR=/doc install
: 2. The filenames, especially for the human-readable files, are weird and
: anything but understandable to someone who isn't in the know (hence the
: suggestion above for a 'manifest'). I understand we're trying to fit
: into brain-damaged filesystems that only support short names, but....
:
There's a 20-year history behind those names, but worse than that, there
are innumerable references to them. Changing the names and all the
references would be a very big job, and we have plenty of other big jobs
that are more urgent. By the way, the strange naming conventions are not
only so the names will fit on short-filename systems, but also to keep
related files grouped together and easily selected by simple wildcards when
they are all collected into a single flat file system. An example of such
a system is the industry standard ANSI Labeled Format D tape, which to this
day is the only cross-platform tape format. Granted we don't do a much
tape distribution any more but now you know the history :-)
: I don't mind the size of the archive, it's not that awfully big as source
: packages go these days. True, it won't fit onto one floppy, but I doubt
: it would even if all the "fluff" was removed.
:
Well, let's try the new arrangement I proposed yesterday, and the new
"make install" target. It's pretty simple, yet pretty flexible.
- Frank
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<robert@bonomi.invalid> wrote:
: Comment: Documentation in HTML is nice, "pretty", makes it easy to cross-
: reference things. All good reasons for using it.
:
: *HOWEVER*, please don't make it the _only_ form that things are
: available in! Sometimes a web-browser is *NOT* 'conveniently
: available'. "Plain text" is *universally* readable with simple
: tools, and can be much faster to use to find specific info. e.g.,
: vi and a '/' search, will have the job done, _before_ a browser
: finishes initializing itself.
:
All of that should go without saying. The text files that were converted
to html are also all dumped back out as text. We didn't convert to html
because it was pretty, we did it so we could link to specific sections of
specific documents in tech-support e-mail and newsgroup postings, so people
could click on the links and get the info immediately and directly.
: As an alternative, consider what Hylafax does -- it provides for
: customizations in the Makefile as for where to install the configuration
: files and secondary documentation. the makefile target for installing the
: manpages includes editing to indicate the _actual_ locations on the
: installed system.
:
The new makefile announced yesterday does this with "make install":
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/text/makefile
: This is indicative of a 'documentation failure', not a flaw in the approach.
: And much easier to remedy. Appropriate language in the release announcement
: and the 'download' web-page -- e.g. "downloading the Supplement is _not_
: necessary for a working Kermit installation"
:
See what you think about the wording here:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckuins.html#x5
: Suggest, despite your prior 'confusion' experience, multiple tarballs.
:
Done:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckuins.html#x1
- Frank
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Subject: More Tweak of USR X2 GW 87174902
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Thanks to all who helped, but I still get an error on the first
attempt to connect. I first need to determine if I have to flash any upgrades
and how to better describe my modem to various software (eg drivers). Win98
and WinCIM 2.6.1 and ComitW and MS-Kermit all do not have any obvious support
for this modem. (cc e-mail appreciated).
Modem = "US Robotics X2 SP 33600 Winmodem PC DFVP" aka "Gateway X2 Telepath"
Problems:
- Most programs get error when they send codes to modem, but work on retry
- many actions (even pure DOS 6.22) are in spurts or jerky
- Stefan Cordes "FAXEN" (DOS Fax Class 2) fails on AT+FLI="0000-0000"
- ComitW creates an INIT string different from what I told it
and does not recognise when connection is made - continues to wait
- Gateway web patch p/n start with 600, not 87 -- huh, why??
Following are concatenated as text:
(1) ATIn diagnostic excerpts
(2) Win 98 Error Log
(3) Kermit Command Excerpts for Sportster
(4) ComitW Modem Init File (won't return control after dials, even &F1)
(5) Various replies to my requests for help
-------
(1) ATIn diagnostic excerpts
ati3: Telepath 56K Voice Faxmodem V4.7.35
ati6:
Data Compression V42BIS 2048/16
Equalization Long
Fallback Enabled
Protocol LAPM/SREJ
V.90 Peak Speed 53333
ati7:
Product type US/Canada Internal
Product ID: 87174902
Options V32bis,V.80,V.34+,x2, V.90
Fax Options Class 1/Class 2.0
Clock Freq 92.0Mhz
EPROM 256k
RAM 32k
FLASH date 4/28/98
FLASH rev 4.7.35
ati9: (1.0GWY0038\\Modem\PNPC10F\Telepath 56K Voice Faxmodem)FF
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(2) Win98 Error Log
12-16-2001 20:18:03.37 - Sportster 56k Data Fax in use.
12-16-2001 20:18:03.56 - Modem type: Sportster 56k Data Fax
12-16-2001 20:18:03.56 - Modem inf path: MDMUSRK1.INF
12-16-2001 20:18:03.56 - Modem inf section: Modem99
12-16-2001 20:18:03.97 - 115200,N,8,1
12-16-2001 20:18:04.36 - 19200,N,8,1
12-16-2001 20:18:04.39 - Initializing modem.
12-16-2001 20:18:04.39 - Send: ATE0Q0V1<cr>
12-16-2001 20:18:04.40 - Recv: ATE0Q0V1<cr>
12-16-2001 20:18:04.52 - Recv: <cr><lf>OK<cr><lf>
12-16-2001 20:18:04.52 - Interpreted response: Ok
12-16-2001 20:18:04.52 - Send: AT&F1E0Q0V1&C1&D2&A0S0=0<cr>
12-16-2001 20:18:04.66 - Recv: <cr><lf>OK<cr><lf>
12-16-2001 20:18:04.66 - Interpreted response: Ok
12-16-2001 20:18:04.66 - Send: ATS7=60S19=0M0&M4&K1&H1&R2&I0B0X4<cr>
12-16-2001 20:18:04.81 - Recv: <cr><lf>OK<cr><lf>
12-16-2001 20:18:04.81 - Interpreted response: Ok
12-16-2001 20:18:04.91 - Dialing.
12-16-2001 20:18:04.91 - Send: ATDT;<cr>
12-16-2001 20:18:06.69 - Recv: <cr><lf>OK<cr><lf>
12-16-2001 20:18:06.69 - Interpreted response: Ok
12-16-2001 20:18:07.24 - Dialing.
12-16-2001 20:18:07.24 - Send: ATDT###########<cr>
12-16-2001 20:18:25.58 - Recv: <cr><lf>CONNECT 19200<cr><lf>
12-16-2001 20:18:25.58 - Interpreted response: Connect
12-16-2001 20:18:25.58 - Connection established at 19200bps.
12-16-2001 20:18:25.59 - Error-control off or unknown.
12-16-2001 20:18:25.59 - Data compression off or unknown.
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(3) Kermit for Sportser Script extracts
output ATQ0V1\13 ; Enable word result codes
output ATE1X4&A3&D2\13 ; Set echoing, result codes, etc.
output AT&B1\13 ; Fixed interface speed
output AT &H1&R2\13 ; RTS/CTS hardware flow control
output AT &N0\13 ; Enable modulation fallback
output AT &K1&M4\13 ; Compression and EC enabled
output AT &Y3\13 ; Make modem pass BREAK transparently
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(4) ComitW Modem Parameters file (set one up for reset=&f1 but fails)
MODEM=1-2400 BPS Modems Using V42 Software
RESET=AT&F
INIT=AT&F&C1&D2+H0
MODEM=2-14,400 BPS Modems Using V42 Software
RESET=AT&F
INIT=AT&F&C1&D2+H0S95=1
MODEM=Gateway 2000 Telepath
RESET=AT&F
INIT=AT&F&C1&D2&K3%C1\N3
MODEM=Generic High Speed
RESET=AT&F
INIT=AT&F&C1&D2
MODEM=Generic High Speed 1
RESET=AT&F1
INIT=AT&F1&C1&D2
MODEM=Generic High Speed 2
RESET=AT&F2
INIT=AT&F2&C1&D2
MODEM=U.S. Robotics Sportster
RESET=AT&F
INIT=AT&F1S0=0
------------
(5) Various replies
>From Be@One_WithDotCom Fri Dec 7 16:21:47 2001
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,alt.sys.pc-clone.gateway2000
Subject: Re: Upgrade/Tweak USR X2 Telepath
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 08:38:35 -0500
> Modem = "US Robotics X2 SP 33600 Winmodem PC DFVP" aka "Gateway X2 Telepath"
> Problems:
> - Got V.90 upgrade from GW2K but it says I have the wrong modem?!
Your modem is already V.90 (see ati7 report, Options)
> - Many actions (even DOS) are in spurts or jerky
Not sure what that means. If the modem is not a Winmodem. It is, as far as I
can tell, a hardware modem having a controller and a DSP. It is properly
identified in the ati3 report:
> ati3: Telepath 56K Voice Faxmodem V4.7.35
If it was a Winmodem, it would not operate in pure DOS but may operate in a
DOS window within Windows.
> - Most programs get error when they send codes to modem
> some programs continue, other fail.
Problem is program dependent. Without knowing what is sent to the modem, no
one can tell you why the errors occurred. It is likely that the errors are
caused by invalid commands for that modem. This happens when the modem is
not properly identified for the program.
> - Biggest problem is with AT+FCLASS=2 for Stefan Cordes "FAXEN" program
> AT+FLI="0000-0000" doesn't work. FCLASS needs 2.0 not 2
> USR told me their external 33k Sportster supports (on unrel inq)
USR does not support fax class 2, it supports fax class 2.0. Yes, there is a
difference.
> - WinSock on Win3 is CompuServe 2.6.1 CID - works but complains on init
> - Got Win98 to finally notice by saying "Sportster 56K"
That's because it isn't a Winmodem probably and that is a better
identification for what you actually have. The Telepath modem you have is
made by USR and is what we call n OEM model.
>
> Following are concatenated as text:
> (1) ATIn diagnostic excerpts
> (2) Kermit for Sportster
> (3) ComitW Modem Init File (won't return control after dials)
>
> ati3: Telepath 56K Voice Faxmodem V4.7.35
> ati6:
> Data Compression V42BIS 2048/16
> Equalization Long
> Fallback Enabled
> Protocol LAPM/SREJ
> V.90 Peak Speed 53333
You left off way too much information from the ati6. However, based upon the
53333 peak speed, you are likely having too much trouble maintaining a speed
and this results in the jerkiness and poor throughput. Limiting the max
speed through the use of a command pair (&Unn&Nnn) will smooth things out
and improve throughput. (blurb on doing this at end of post)
> ati7:
> Product type US/Canada Internal
> Product ID: 87174902
The USR modem model closest to your is the 001749-02.
> Options V32bis,V.80,V.34+,x2, V.90
Shows that you have V.90 enabled already.
> Fax Options Class 1/Class 2.0
Note fax options.
> MODEM=U.S. Robotics Sportster
> RESET=AT&F
> INIT=AT&F1S0=0
This is the proper init but the reset should also be AT&F1
USR modem stalling and Unable to Retrain problems---
It means the modem is having a lot of trouble maintaining the speed at
which it thinks it should be able to stay connected.
To determine if the USR modem is the cause of the problem and can be
adjusted to overcome it, you will need to go dump some data after a normal
session online. To do this, follow the next few steps...
1. After disconnecting from the ISP, open a terminal program that does not
initialize the modem with ATZ (Hyperterm will do just fine).
2. Send the modem ati6i11 and save the results either to the printer or a
file (whichever you feel more comfortable with)
3. In the first part of the display, look for high numbers in Blers (in the
thousands if the call was over 20 minutes, high hundreds otherwise),
Retrains (anything above 0), Link Timeouts and Link Naks (more than a few).
In the second part, look for the Speedshifts portion (not available on
Winmodems)and look for a value higher than 1.
If you found the "bad" numbers indicated in step 3 then do the following...
In the ati6, you will see what speed the modem was last connected
at. Examine that. If it is high, or fairly so, you might consider
trimming the range in which the modem operates to bring it down a notch
or two. For instance, if the speed was 49333 then try limiting the upper
limit to say 48000. You can do this through the use of the &Unn&Nnn
command parameters. You must use both parameters or it will not work the
way you want. To find the values, go into a terminal program and
enter...
at&$
Choose a value for &U that is low enough to be comfortable, like the
value for 19200. Choose the value for the &N that reflects a step or two
down from the speed shown in that ati6 you dumped.
Put these values in your Extra settings box and try that.
No guarantees but it's worth a try.
From: "Charles H. Culberson" <charlesculberson@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 10:31:58 -0500
Newsgroups: gw.desktop-tower.telecomm
I would suggest removing your Telepath X2 modem and looking for U.S.
Robotics part numbers on it.
I have a Gateway G6-233 with with a Telepath for Windows with x2 modem.
After removing the Telepath card, I looked for US Robotics information on
it, and found the following: 'SPORTSTER 0478' and '87173100 R:2'. A search
of the USR web site showed information for the USR OEM Gateway 87173102
WinModem.
You might be able to find similar part numbers on your Telepath modem.
From: Chuck \ Internet: (steeler_dude99@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Upgrade/Tweak USR X2 Telepath
I am to figure out what modem it is. It does not (from the ati resp.) look
like a 33k winmodem that is for sure. It looks like it is already upgraded to
v.90 telepath to me. That is most likely why it won't let you flash. But
where the upgrade came from may be a wonder if you did not flash it already.
There is a program on smf.ai.ru that will flash sportssters to any version,
perhapps that was ran on it by another owner???
But anyhow, lets go into DOS kermit/HYPERTERM and see what gives. You need
to directly attacch to the serial port at either 115200 or 57600 baud. Then
set hardware flow control. You can type atdt123-4567 and dial a v.90 local
ISP and see what rate you get. After you get the connect message, you can
just hang up with an escape seq s l o w-ly typed of <CR>+++<CR>ATH (1 second
between chars is good). The jerkyness may be due to a bad phone line to you
home that can not give good v.90 rates. Do you hear noise when you speak on
a real phone on this line? When the noise interfers with the data, the two
modems have to resend and that is why it gets jerky.
- = -
Vasos-Peter John Panagiotopoulos II, Columbia'81+, Bio$trategist
BachMozart ReaganQuayle EvrytanoKastorian
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/vjp2/vasos.htm
---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}---
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<vjp2@biostrategist.com> wrote in message
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> ----------
> (2) Win98 Error Log
> 12-16-2001 20:18:03.37 - Sportster 56k Data Fax in use.
> 12-16-2001 20:18:03.56 - Modem type: Sportster 56k Data Fax
> 12-16-2001 20:18:03.56 - Modem inf path: MDMUSRK1.INF
> 12-16-2001 20:18:03.56 - Modem inf section: Modem99
> 12-16-2001 20:18:03.97 - 115200,N,8,1
> 12-16-2001 20:18:04.36 - 19200,N,8,1
Make sure the modem has 115200 set as the port speed in all
connectoids.
> 12-16-2001 20:18:04.39 - Initializing modem.
> 12-16-2001 20:18:04.39 - Send: ATE0Q0V1<cr>
> 12-16-2001 20:18:04.40 - Recv: ATE0Q0V1<cr>
> 12-16-2001 20:18:04.52 - Recv: <cr><lf>OK<cr><lf>
> 12-16-2001 20:18:04.52 - Interpreted response: Ok
> 12-16-2001 20:18:04.52 - Send: AT&F1E0Q0V1&C1&D2&A0S0=0<cr>
The &A0 is why you're not displaying error correction or data
compression - make sure you've got those checked in Modem Properties -
you want them. This value should be &A3.
> 12-16-2001 20:18:04.66 - Recv: <cr><lf>OK<cr><lf>
> 12-16-2001 20:18:04.66 - Interpreted response: Ok
> 12-16-2001 20:18:04.66 - Send: ATS7=60S19=0M0&M4&K1&H1&R2&I0B0X4<cr>
Get rid of this "Extra settings" garbage. They're all defaults set by
AT&F1 except for the M0.
> 12-16-2001 20:18:04.81 - Recv: <cr><lf>OK<cr><lf>
> 12-16-2001 20:18:04.81 - Interpreted response: Ok
> 12-16-2001 20:18:04.91 - Dialing.
> 12-16-2001 20:18:04.91 - Send: ATDT;<cr>
> 12-16-2001 20:18:06.69 - Recv: <cr><lf>OK<cr><lf>
> 12-16-2001 20:18:06.69 - Interpreted response: Ok
> 12-16-2001 20:18:07.24 - Dialing.
> 12-16-2001 20:18:07.24 - Send: ATDT###########<cr>
> 12-16-2001 20:18:25.58 - Recv: <cr><lf>CONNECT 19200<cr><lf>
The &A0 is why the modem isn't reporting error correction and data
compression here.
> 12-16-2001 20:18:25.58 - Interpreted response: Connect
> 12-16-2001 20:18:25.58 - Connection established at 19200bps.
>
> 12-16-2001 20:18:25.59 - Error-control off or unknown.
> 12-16-2001 20:18:25.59 - Data compression off or unknown.
Which leads to the above.
> ----------
> (3) Kermit for Sportser Script extracts
> output ATQ0V1\13 ; Enable word result codes
> output ATE1X4&A3&D2\13 ; Set echoing, result codes, etc.
> output AT&B1\13 ; Fixed interface speed
> output AT &H1&R2\13 ; RTS/CTS hardware flow control
> output AT &N0\13 ; Enable modulation fallback
> output AT &K1&M4\13 ; Compression and EC enabled
Everything up to here is properly configured with AT&F1. Replace the
above with
output AT&F1\13
> output AT &Y3\13 ; Make modem pass BREAK
transparently
&Y3 isn't shown in my summary of commands. The default is &Y1, but you
probably want &Y2.
> ----------
> (4) ComitW Modem Parameters file (set one up for reset=&f1 but
fails)
> MODEM=U.S. Robotics Sportster
> RESET=AT&F
The above should be AT&F1
> INIT=AT&F1S0=0
That should be all you need.
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From: "Hooda Gest" <Be@One_WithDotCom>
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<vjp2@biostrategist.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks to all who helped, but I still get an error on the first
> attempt to connect. I first need to determine if I have to flash any
upgrades
> and how to better describe my modem to various software (eg drivers).
Win98
> and WinCIM 2.6.1 and ComitW and MS-Kermit all do not have any obvious
support
> for this modem. (cc e-mail appreciated).
>
> Modem = "US Robotics X2 SP 33600 Winmodem PC DFVP" aka "Gateway X2
Telepath"
This is, as I pointed out before, the wrong indentification for your modem.
Your modem is a an OEM version of the 1749 model. From your ati7 report:
" Product type US/Canada Internal
Product ID: 87174902
Options V32bis,V.80,V.34+,x2, V.90
Fax Options Class 1/Class 2.0"
The correct "drivers" are found in this file:
V90 Upgrade and INF files for OEM product 1749. Download this file and
disconnect from your ISP. Double click the file to start the flash utility.
This file should NOT be used with any other product. Win9x - 1749_9x.zip
file size: 491226 bytes
found at: http://www.usr.com/support/s-modem/s-modem-oem-downloads.asp#1749
When you start properly identifying the modem to your system (it is not PnP)
then you may see many, if not all, of your problems go away.
--
Hooda Gest
"In a New York minute, everything can change..."
From wa1hoz@pandora.orbl.net Tue Dec 18 16:06:10 EST 2001
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Our company has been including C-Kermit with our UNIX based
telecom equipment for many years. The ability Kermit gives us
to update systems in the field over a modem connection is one of
the elements to good customer support.
Earlier this year we had an incident where an engineer inadvertantly
left up overnight a dialup connection from a system in our Connecticut
facility to a system in Texas. What we needed was an inactivity
timeout to disconnect idle sessions.
So we contacted kermit-support. We were told that this function existed
in Kermit-95, but not C-kermit, and did we want them to implement it?
Shortly thereafter, this feature was added to the C-Kermit 8.0 beta.
Our engineer is now happy again.
This kind of support is why we will continue to license C-Kermit for
our systems.
I would like to thank Frank da Cruz and Jeffrey Altman for the outstanding
support we have received from the Kermit Project. I would also like to
thank them for the opportunity to participate in beta testing C-Kermit and
Kermit-95.
Gerry Belanger
Gerry Belanger,Newtown, CT.
To reply, make the obvious mods to wa1hoz_at_qsl (dot) net
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[fu-t set]
<QsFT7.20874$NC5.1432694@news20.bellglobal.com> divulged:
>> output AT &Y3\13 ; Make modem pass BREAK transparently
>
>&Y3 isn't shown in my summary of commands. The default is &Y1, but you
>probably want &Y2.
&y3 is neither destructive nor expedited, while &y2 is not destructive but
is expedited.
--
okay, have a sig then
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From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: C-Kermit 8.0 almost released
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All but the "spamming the world" part. The Web and FTP sites should
done, but could use some checking. Of particular note on the website:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html
The new C-Kermit 8.0 page. The Documentation section
contains links to the many new Web documents, many of which
existed only in plain-text format before, and all of which are
seriously updated.
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckututor.html
The new C-Kermit tutorial-and-man-page for Unix.
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80binaries.html
The new table of prebuilt C-Kermit binaries. Yes, it's an actual
table, and it's big -- takes a some time to load.
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cksendbin.html
How to submit MORE binaries <-- Please do!
Of particular interest is the "tarball" and Zip archive packaging scheme
and installation procedure:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html#download
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckuins.html#x5
and especially:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckuins.html#x5.4
which raises the whole question of "install packages", discussed here:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80packages.html
Anyway, please let me know if anything seems amiss, and please send in
missing binaries according to the instructions provided. Let's try to
have at least 250 before we go public! (We're only 5 short at the moment.)
Thanks!
- Frank
From fdc@columbia.edu Wed Dec 19 15:37:29 EST 2001
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From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: C-Kermit 8.0 released
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The announcement was posted just now to the little-used
comp.protocols.kermit.announce group. In case you didn't see it:
This is to announce version 8.0 of C-Kermit, the all-purpose, portable
communications and automation tool for Unix and VMS. C-Kermit can be:
. A Telnet and Rlogin client
. An FTP client (Unix only) <-- New
. An HTTP 1.1 client (Unix only) <-- New
. An SSH client (via external ssh program, Unix only) <-- New
. A serial-port communications program
. A dialout communications program
. An Internet server (Unix only)
That can:
. Conduct terminal sessions (except on FTP and HTTP connections).
. Make secure Telnet, Rlogin, FTP, and HTTP connections using
Kerberos IV, Kerberos V, SSL/TLS, or SRP security (Unix only).
. Transfer files over the communication connection or act as the
far-end file-transfer-and-management partner of your desktop client.
. Convert character sets in both terminal sessions and file transfer,
now including Unicode UTF-8.
and that includes a portable, cross-platform, easy-to-learn-and-use,
transport-independent scripting language that allows automation of
any communication task that can be done by hand (and many that can't).
Version 8.0 replaces Version 7.0 of Jan/Feb 2000, and adds the following
major new features for Unix only:
. A scriptable FTP client capable of making secure connections.
. A scriptable HTTP 1.1 client that can make secure connections.
. An interface to your external SSH program, allowing file transfer,
character-set conversion, and scripting of SSH terminal sessions.
. Security module source code is included in the standard distribution.
And for all platforms:
. RFC 2217 Telnet Com Port control allows shared network modems.
. Learned scripts (automatic script writing).
. Lisp-like S-Expressions.
. Date/time/timezone conversion and arithmetic supporting many formats.
. Bug fixes including plugging of buffer attack vulnerabilities.
. A new Web-based tutorial and other new Web-based documentation.
. New easier terms for commercial redistribution.
Links:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html
The C-Kermit 8.0 web page, with links to everything you need.
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html#download
Download.
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpclient.html
More about the new built-in FTP client.
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckututor.html
The new C-Kermit tutorial (oriented mainly to Unix).
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html
The C-Kermit script library and script-writing tutorial, including
lots of new examples for C-Kermit 8.0.
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/COPYING.TXT
The C-Kermit license and disclaimer; same as C-Kermit 7.0,
allows inclusion with Linux, FreeBSD, etc.
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/commercial.html
New terms and conditions for commercial redistribution.
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckbinaries.html
A big table of prebuilt C-Kermit binaries, including (as of this
moment) 245 for C-Kermit 8.0 and another 254 for earlier releases,
spanning 10 major operating system families (Unix, VMS, VOS, AOS/VS,
Aegis, Plan 9, ...) IF YOU CAN MAKE C-Kermit binaries that are not
in the table (or not at 8.0 level), please send them in!
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cksendbin.html
How to make and contribute C-Kermit binaries.
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckuins.html
C-Kermit installation instructions for Unix. See, especially:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckuins.html#x5.4 for the new
makefile 'install' target.
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckvins.html
Installation instructions for VMS.
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckpackages.html
One-touch install packages such as RPM are not available yet.
This page discusses the issues involved in putting together a
C-Kermit 8.0 install package.
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit80.html
Thorough documentation of all the new features of C-Kermit 8.0.
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cuiksd.html
Columbia's Internet Kermit Service.
Special thanks to Jeff Altman of the Kermit Project for his truly
remarkable -- and massive -- contributions to this release and to Max
Evarts for installing and configuring literally dozens of operating
systems on which it could be built and tested. And thanks to all the
people who contributed code, patches, builds and/or Internet access to
build / testing platforms, makefile targets, Beta test reports,
information, encouragement, and in some cases material support
throughout the development cycle, notably: Hewlett Packard Corporation,
Compaq Corporation, IBM Corporation, Peter Eichhorn of Assyst GmbH in
Germany, Peter Mauzey of Bell Labs, Gerry Belanger of Cognitronics
Corporation, Sven Holmström of ABB Utilities AB in Sweden, Lucas Hart of
Oregon State University, Nelson Beebe of the University of Utah; and to
Dat Thuc Nguyen for suggesting and thoroughly testing many of the new
scripting features. This list could go on (and on), but space is limited!
If you have any trouble downloading or using the new version, send
email to kermit-support@columbia.edu.
Frank da Cruz
The Kermit Project
Columbia University
New York City
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/
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Hi Frank,
it's great that comp.protocols.kermit.misc is now directly reachable
>from the Kermit WEB page and via Google. In the past it was really
hard for me to reach and follow the news.
Thanks.
- Peter Eichhorn
From hvanclee@nyx10.nyx.net Thu Dec 27 11:06:08 EST 2001
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I have the final release of Kermit 8 200, and am building it to
install on several machines. I'm doing some remote administration
over a plain telephone modem connection to a remote console port,
using a modem server machine, and have tried using kermit to telnet
>from my main development machine to the modem server, another kermit
to connect to the console port, and kermit at the other end to receive
executables.
The configuration looks like this:
Dev machine->telnet kermit->modem server->remote console
machine->kermit server.
Trying to send from the development machine to the server gets tied in
knots---appears that transmission set up as TCP/IP from the source
won't go down the phone line as packets. I shut off streaming at both
ends, but it still fails.
While I can get around the problem by NFS mounting my development disk
area on the modem server, and using kermit from it in one jump from
two, I wonder how---if it is possible, to chain kermits together in
series.
Hank van Cleef
From fdc@columbia.edu Thu Dec 27 11:06:11 EST 2001
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From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Using multiple kermits in series between machines
Date: 27 Dec 2001 11:05:54 -0500
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In article <1009447151.415636@irys.nyx.net>,
Henry van Cleef <hvanclee@nyx10.nyx.net> wrote:
: I have the final release of Kermit 8 200, and am building it to
: install on several machines. I'm doing some remote administration
: over a plain telephone modem connection to a remote console port,
: using a modem server machine, and have tried using kermit to telnet
: from my main development machine to the modem server, another kermit
: to connect to the console port, and kermit at the other end to receive
: executables.
:
: The configuration looks like this:
:
: Dev machine->telnet kermit->modem server->remote console
: machine->kermit server.
:
: Trying to send from the development machine to the server gets tied in
: knots---appears that transmission set up as TCP/IP from the source
: won't go down the phone line as packets. I shut off streaming at both
: ends, but it still fails.
:
There's a section in "Using C-Kermit" called C-Kermit in the Middle
(pages 162-164), which explains how to make the intermediate Kermit
transparent to all 8-bit byte patterns. In C-Kermit 7.0 we added a
command-line option, -0 (digit zero) for this:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit70.html#x9.3
Quoting:
-0 (digit zero) means "be 100% transparent in CONNECT mode". This is
equivalent to the following series of commands:
SET PARITY NONE
SET COMMAND BYTESIZE 8
SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8
SET FLOW NONE
SET TERM ESCAPE DISABLED
SET TERM CHAR TRANSPARENT
SET TERM AUTODOWNLOAD OFF
SET TERM APC OFF
SET TELOPT KERMIT REFUSE REFUSE
SET FLOW NONE might need adjustment if a serial device is involved.
: While I can get around the problem by NFS mounting my development disk
: area on the modem server, and using kermit from it in one jump from
: two, I wonder how---if it is possible, to chain kermits together in
: series.
:
Use -0 or the commands listed above and, yes, since you have some non-reliable
segments in the chain, also SET RELIABLE OFF (or SET STREAMING OFF). For
In case the terminal server is not transparent, also you might need:
SET PREFIXING CAUTIOUS (or NONE)
Obviously a multihop connection like this will not have the bandwidth of
a direct end-to-end connection.
- Frank
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Subject: Re: Using multiple kermits in series between machines
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: In article <1009447151.415636@irys.nyx.net>,
: Henry van Cleef <hvanclee@nyx10.nyx.net> wrote:
: : The configuration looks like this:
: :
: : Dev machine->telnet kermit->modem server->remote console
: : machine->kermit server.
: :
Frank da Cruz <fdc@columbia.edu> wrote:
: SET TERM AUTODOWNLOAD OFF
The autodownload will certainly make it appear that the connection is tied
up, and you won't find the file where you are looking for it, although it
might be on an intermediate machine.
--
---
Clarence A Dold - dold@email.rahul.net
- Pope Valley (Napa County) CA.
From Peter.eichhorn@assyst-intl.com Thu Dec 27 14:17:38 EST 2001
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From: Peter.eichhorn@assyst-intl.com (Peter Eichhorn)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Using multiple kermits in series between machines
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> I have the final release of Kermit 8 200, and am building it to
> install on several machines. I'm doing some remote administration
> over a plain telephone modem connection to a remote console port,
> using a modem server machine, and have tried using kermit to telnet
> from my main development machine to the modem server, another kermit
> to connect to the console port, and kermit at the other end to receive
> executables.
>
> The configuration looks like this:
>
> Dev machine->telnet kermit->modem server->remote console
> machine->kermit server.
>
> Trying to send from the development machine to the server gets tied in
> knots---appears that transmission set up as TCP/IP from the source
> won't go down the phone line as packets. I shut off streaming at both
> ends, but it still fails.
>
> While I can get around the problem by NFS mounting my development disk
> area on the modem server, and using kermit from it in one jump from
> two, I wonder how---if it is possible, to chain kermits together in
> series.
We use here kermit like you want all the time and didn't have any problems.
What kind of modem server are you using? Our one works only with a package
of 500 but the it works. Have you tried to send data from the first kermit
to the one in the middle? If this works the other should work too.
- PeterE
From chris@henschen.com Fri Dec 28 15:50:42 EST 2001
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From: "Chris Henschen" <chris@henschen.com>
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Graphic characters instead of lines on 2000
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 15:37:11 -0500
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I was wondering if anyone knows how to change the graphics on version .20 of
Kermit? On my 2000 laptop when I connect to our SCO boxes, the line drawing
characters are wrong. This worked fine on the Win 95/98/ME versions. And
even someone whom has version .17's works fine on 2000. I'm using the
scoansi emulation within Kermit 95 application. I did and env|grep TERM and
the TERM=ansi or TERM=scoansi didn't make any difference.
Thanks
Chris Henschen
From fdc@columbia.edu Fri Dec 28 15:50:45 EST 2001
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From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Graphic characters instead of lines on 2000
Date: 28 Dec 2001 15:50:32 -0500
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In article <u2pmdusp1qbt18@corp.supernews.com>,
Chris Henschen <chris@henschen.com> wrote:
: I was wondering if anyone knows how to change the graphics on version .20 of
: Kermit? On my 2000 laptop when I connect to our SCO boxes, the line drawing
: characters are wrong. This worked fine on the Win 95/98/ME versions. And
: even someone whom has version .17's works fine on 2000. I'm using the
: scoansi emulation within Kermit 95 application. I did and env|grep TERM and
: the TERM=ansi or TERM=scoansi didn't make any difference.
:
We'll need to narrow down the problem a bit more. If you have a new OS and
a new version of Kermit, that's too many things changing at once. It's a
good idea to change only one thing at a time, and then see what breaks.
Do you have a copy of 1.1.17 on the same PC where you experience the problem
with 1.1.20? And if so, does it continue to behave as expected, while the new
one does not? On the same kind of connection? If so, have they been given
the same commands? How did you get 1.1.20 on the new OS? Did you patch
1.1.17 or install a new copy?
Since you're the only one who has all the evidence, you'll need to dig out
the relevant pieces.
- Frank
From chris@henschen.com Fri Dec 28 17:30:00 EST 2001
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From: "Chris Henschen" <chris@henschen.com>
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Graphic characters instead of lines on 2000
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank da Cruz" <fdc@columbia.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: Graphic characters instead of lines on 2000
> In article <u2pmdusp1qbt18@corp.supernews.com>,
> Chris Henschen <chris@henschen.com> wrote:
> : I was wondering if anyone knows how to change the graphics on version
.20 of
> : Kermit? On my 2000 laptop when I connect to our SCO boxes, the line
drawing
> : characters are wrong. This worked fine on the Win 95/98/ME versions.
And
> : even someone whom has version .17's works fine on 2000. I'm using the
> : scoansi emulation within Kermit 95 application. I did and env|grep TERM
and
> : the TERM=ansi or TERM=scoansi didn't make any difference.
> :
> We'll need to narrow down the problem a bit more. If you have a new OS
and
> a new version of Kermit, that's too many things changing at once. It's a
> good idea to change only one thing at a time, and then see what breaks.
>
> Do you have a copy of 1.1.17 on the same PC where you experience the
problem
> with 1.1.20? And if so, does it continue to behave as expected, while the
new
> one does not?
This has be our experience with several 2000 machines
> On the same kind of connection?
Yes, Telnet connections
> If so, have they been given the same commands?
Same application is being executed with all. (Filepro 16+)
> How did you get 1.1.20 on the new OS?
Zipped the directory and unzipped it on the new machine.
> Did you patch 1.1.17 or install a new copy?
Patched 1.1.17 as patches have become available to version 1.1.20. However,
one of them that looked right with version 1.1.17, I just applied the 1.1.20
patch and the line drawing characters are "A"'s with two dots over them
(horizonal line character) and 3's (vertical Lines) and such. This was the
only change to the machine that was preformed to create this affect. (SEE
ATTACHMENT)
>
> Since you're the only one who has all the evidence, you'll need to dig out
> the relevant pieces.
>
> - Frank
From fdc@columbia.edu Fri Dec 28 17:30:04 EST 2001
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From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Graphic characters instead of lines on 2000
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In article <u2pr25hs32fe88@corp.supernews.com>,
Chris Henschen <chris@henschen.com> wrote:
: This has be our experience with several 2000 machines
:
: > On the same kind of connection?
:
: Yes, Telnet connections
:
The deal with Telnet connections is -- as you probably know -- that
terminal-type negotiation takes place between K95 and the Telnet server.
And as you probably also know, there is great confusion between the words
ANSI and SCOANSI, which we try to explain here:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95bugs.html#b253
Have you read this?
: > If so, have they been given the same commands?
:
: Same application is being executed with all. (Filepro 16+)
:
What does "show character-sets" say on the version that works and the
version that doesn't?
- Frank
From atomikc@polbox.com Fri Dec 28 17:51:40 EST 2001
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From: "Tomasz Czaus" <atomikc@polbox.com>
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: xmodem, ymodem, zmodem
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Hello,
I'm looking for example about xmodem or ymodem or zmodem protocols
aspecially in object pascal or c. Where I found it ??
Thanks
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From: Wladimir Mutel <mwg@fluffy.isd.dp.ua>
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: xmodem, ymodem, zmodem
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 09:27:20 +0000 (UTC)
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Tomasz Czaus <atomikc@polbox.com> wrote:
> I'm looking for example about xmodem or ymodem or zmodem protocols
> aspecially in object pascal or c. Where I found it ??
Try to pick 'lrzsz' here - http://www.ohse.de/uwe/software/lrzsz.html
From jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun Dec 30 11:51:17 EST 2001
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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: Graphic characters instead of lines on 2000
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Select a True Type font instead of bitmap in the Console window System
menu. K95 uses Unicode for character display and bitmaps fonts do not
support Unicode.
In article <u2pmdusp1qbt18@corp.supernews.com>,
Chris Henschen <chris@henschen.com> wrote:
: I was wondering if anyone knows how to change the graphics on version .20 of
: Kermit? On my 2000 laptop when I connect to our SCO boxes, the line drawing
: characters are wrong. This worked fine on the Win 95/98/ME versions. And
: even someone whom has version .17's works fine on 2000. I'm using the
: scoansi emulation within Kermit 95 application. I did and env|grep TERM and
: the TERM=ansi or TERM=scoansi didn't make any difference.
:
: Thanks
: Chris Henschen
:
:
Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 8.0 available now!!!
The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Telnet, FTP and HTTP
http://www.kermit-project.org/ secured with Kerberos, SRP, and
kermit-support@columbia.edu OpenSSL. Interfaces with OpenSSH
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Tomasz Czaus <atomikc@polbox.com> wrote:
> I'm looking for example about xmodem or ymodem or zmodem protocols
> aspecially in object pascal or c. Where I found it ??
Try to pick 'lrzsz' here - http://www.ohse.de/uwe/software/lrzsz.html
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From: Ron Heiby <heiby_u@falkor.chi.il.us>
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Subject: Kermit-95 on Win98 8E2 Problems
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I struggled for a while to figure out how to send 8 data bits, even
parity, and two stop bits. Using a pointer in an answer to a question
posted here long ago, I found the documentation for doing this in the
C-Kermit 7.0 Update Notes. From these, it appears that "SET SERIAL 8E2" is
what I am looking for.
However, doing this on my HP under Win98 (not SE) using K95 1.1.20 does
not give me 8E2, even thought Kermit reports that setting when asked via
"SHOW COMM".
Instead (as shown by our scope), we appear to be getting 8N1.
Attempting this using Hyperterminal does give us 8E2, so we know that the
hardware and drivers are capable of this operation.
I'd really like to be able to use Kermit's scripting capability to work
with the odd-ball piece of hardware we're trying to talk with, but it is
insisting on 8E2, which I have not been able to get working.
Help? Thanks!
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From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit-95 on Win98 8E2 Problems
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In article <jsfu2u0g7b935fma82b50t726epg6i62os@4ax.com>,
Ron Heiby <heiby_u@falkor.chi.il.us> wrote:
: I struggled for a while to figure out how to send 8 data bits, even
: parity, and two stop bits. Using a pointer in an answer to a question
: posted here long ago, I found the documentation for doing this in the
: C-Kermit 7.0 Update Notes. From these, it appears that "SET SERIAL 8E2" is
: what I am looking for.
:
: However, doing this on my HP under Win98 (not SE) using K95 1.1.20 does
: not give me 8E2, even thought Kermit reports that setting when asked via
: "SHOW COMM".
:
: Instead (as shown by our scope), we appear to be getting 8N1.
:
: Attempting this using Hyperterminal does give us 8E2, so we know that the
: hardware and drivers are capable of this operation.
:
: I'd really like to be able to use Kermit's scripting capability to work
: with the odd-ball piece of hardware we're trying to talk with, but it is
: insisting on 8E2, which I have not been able to get working.
:
It's supposed to work and it does work on most kinds Unix.
If Hyperterminal can do it and Kermit 95 can't, it's either a bug (which
we can fix), or we're using the wrong API (which we can fix if the real
API for doing this can be determined -- as you know, many Windows APIs are
secret). We'll contact you offline when we have more information.
- Frank
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On 30 Dec 2001 11:57:02 -0500, fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote:
>as you know, many Windows APIs are secret
I'm pretty sure that is not the case here, since one of the fellows I'm
working with on the project threw together a quickie test app that sets
the desired comm mode.
I wasn't actually expecting any sort of answer on a Sunday. :-)
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With support via Email, we have tracked the problem down to having
attempted to start up in this weird mode via the Dialer, which does not
appear to be issuing the appropriate commands to enter 8E2 mode. Taking
the script it created and inserting the "SET SERIAL 8E2" command after the
speed setting has things working.
Per Kermit Support's suggestion, I have created a shortcut to my edited
startup script which seems to be working just fine.
Looks like there may be some difficulty with trying to set 8E2 after a
CONNECT, but that is not an issue for me now.
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From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Date: 30 Dec 2001 15:49:40 -0500
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In article <3C2F7281.18204EC5@_mail9ndn3ws_._com>,
Ben <unix-rlz@_mail9ndn3ws_._com> wrote:
: > I've got a Garmin GPS 40 which I'm trying to get working on an E-450
: > (and a 420R) under Solaris 8 and I'm not getting any serial I/O. At
: > this point if I could simply see NMEA strings via 'tip' that would be
: > great. I know the NMEA output is not a great time-source by itself.
: >
: > The GPS unit basically runs at 4800,8,n,1. I've disabled the ttymon
: > service to the ports I've tried, tried tweaking the OBP port settings,
: > and I can't get any strings.
You have to consider at least the following:
1. Making sure the serial port is configured, set up, enabled, etc.
This is Solaris sysadmin stuff.
2. Using the appropriate "name" (driver) for the serial port; each
serial port might have several drivers for different purposes:
ranging from full modem control to three-wire (no modem control).
3. Using an appropriate cable.
4. Making sure the serial port is not owned by getty (i.e. not waiting
for incoming login connections) or any other process.
5. Picking the best software for the job.
You've received a number of answers on 1-4. For further info look at:
http://www.stokely.com/unix.serial.port.resources
Once you have items 1-4 sorted out, you might want to take a look at
C-Kermit as the control software:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html
It gives you every conceivable control over communications parameters
(speed, parity, use/don't-use modem signals, data size, stop bits, flow
control...) Flow control is, of course, an issue. If the GPS is spewing
out info constantly, how is the Sun going to tell it to stop (for example
because nobody is listening at the moment and the device input buffer is
full)? The common options are RTS/CTS (hardwire, requires the appropriate
connections in the cable) and Xon/Xoff (software, special control characters
in line with the data). If the GPS offers no mechanism for flow control,
you'll need a process constanty reading from it.
Anyway, once you are able to see the GPS messages, then you can program
Kermit (using its script language) to process the messages and do whatever
you like with them: log them to a file, accumulate statistics, send alerts
by email, pager, or whatever. To get started with Kermit scripting, see:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html
- Frank
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Frank da Cruz wrote:
>
> In article <3C2F7281.18204EC5@_mail9ndn3ws_._com>,
> Ben <unix-rlz@_mail9ndn3ws_._com> wrote:
>
> : > I've got a Garmin GPS 40 which I'm trying to get working on an E-450
> : > (and a 420R) under Solaris 8 and I'm not getting any serial I/O. At
> : > this point if I could simply see NMEA strings via 'tip' that would be
> : > great. I know the NMEA output is not a great time-source by itself.
> : >
> : > The GPS unit basically runs at 4800,8,n,1. I've disabled the ttymon
> : > service to the ports I've tried, tried tweaking the OBP port settings,
> : > and I can't get any strings.
>
> You have to consider at least the following:
>
> 1. Making sure the serial port is configured, set up, enabled, etc.
> This is Solaris sysadmin stuff.
Yep.
>
> 2. Using the appropriate "name" (driver) for the serial port; each
> serial port might have several drivers for different purposes:
> ranging from full modem control to three-wire (no modem control).
No. I'm going to try that ASAP. Won't be for a couple days unless I
can sneak away without my wife catching me .... ;)
>
> 3. Using an appropriate cable.
As soon as I can, I'm going to try the Garmin cable direct with the one
9-pin<-->25-pin adapter
>
> 4. Making sure the serial port is not owned by getty (i.e. not waiting
> for incoming login connections) or any other process.
Yes. Did that. Also, I've been trying to use /dev/term/.. rather than
/dev/cua/.. as other posters have suggested. I'll give it a whiz.
>
> 5. Picking the best software for the job.
Tried all kinds of serial-port comm. tools. 'tip', Kermit, Minicom,
head, ...
Tried Sun's packaged xntpd and compiled the latest stable release
available from ntp.org.
>
> You've received a number of answers on 1-4. For further info look at:
>
> http://www.stokely.com/unix.serial.port.resources
>
> Once you have items 1-4 sorted out, you might want to take a look at
> C-Kermit as the control software:
>
> http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html
>
> It gives you every conceivable control over communications parameters
> (speed, parity, use/don't-use modem signals, data size, stop bits, flow
> control...) Flow control is, of course, an issue. If the GPS is spewing
> out info constantly, how is the Sun going to tell it to stop (for example
> because nobody is listening at the moment and the device input buffer is
> full)? The common options are RTS/CTS (hardwire, requires the appropriate
> connections in the cable) and Xon/Xoff (software, special control characters
> in line with the data).
> If the GPS offers no mechanism for flow control,
> you'll need a process constanty reading from it.
hopefully xntpd will take care of that end of things ... point noted
though!
>
> Anyway, once you are able to see the GPS messages, then you can program
> Kermit (using its script language) to process the messages and do whatever
> you like with them: log them to a file, accumulate statistics, send alerts
> by email, pager, or whatever. To get started with Kermit scripting, see:
>
> http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html
Thanks!
>
> - Frank
From chris@henschen.com Mon Dec 31 11:22:24 EST 2001
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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Graphic characters instead of lines on 2000
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This is the string in version *.17 from show character-set: (working)
File Character-Set: cp437 (IBM Code Page 437), 8-bit
Transfer Character-Set: Transparent
Unknown-Char-Set: Keep
Terminal character-sets:
Local: Unicode/PC Code Page 437
Remote: GL->G0: US ASCII (94 chars)
GR->G1: PC Code Page 437 (96 chars)
G2: PC Code Page 437 (96 chars)
G3: PC Code Page 437 (96 chars)
This is the string after updating the .17 to version *.20. Local:
Unicode/tranparent under Terminal character-sets sticks out to me. Where
does this get changed? The shortcuts are the same *.ksc files in both
version. Must be something changed or lost when the upgrades performed:
,
File Character-Set: (null) (U‹ìQ‹%ÿ), multibyte
Transfer Character-Set: Transparent
SEND character-set-selection: automatic
RECEIVE character-set-selection: manual
(Use SHOW ASSOCIATIONS to list automatic character-set selections.)
Unknown-Char-Set: Keep
Terminal character-sets:
Local: Unicode/transparent
Remote: GL->G0: US ASCII (94 chars)
GR->G1: Transparent ()
G2: Transparent ()
G3: Transparent ()
Keyboard character-sets:
Multinational: Transparent
National: US ASCII
Code Pages:
Active: 437
Available: 10000,10079,1250,1251,1252,1253,1254,1255,1256,1257,1258,1361
"Frank da Cruz" <fdc@columbia.edu> wrote in message
news:a0iro6$ofr$1@watsol.cc.columbia.edu...
> In article <u2pr25hs32fe88@corp.supernews.com>,
> Chris Henschen <chris@henschen.com> wrote:
> : This has be our experience with several 2000 machines
> :
> : > On the same kind of connection?
> :
> : Yes, Telnet connections
> :
> The deal with Telnet connections is -- as you probably know -- that
> terminal-type negotiation takes place between K95 and the Telnet server.
> And as you probably also know, there is great confusion between the words
> ANSI and SCOANSI, which we try to explain here:
>
> http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95bugs.html#b253
>
> Have you read this?
yep, and it doesn't make any difference on the version I use. I have SCO
5.06, 5.05, Unixware 7.11. They all have this problem. The 5.06 and
Unixware 7.11 already have a scounix termcap so this shouldn't be much of an
issue there and being all clients login to these machine.
>
> : > If so, have they been given the same commands?
> :
> : Same application is being executed with all. (Filepro 16+)
> :
> What does "show character-sets" say on the version that works and the
> version that doesn't?
>
> - Frank
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In article <u30r56ej95hrb9@corp.supernews.com>,
Chris Henschen <chris@henschen.com> wrote:
: This is the string in version *.17 from show character-set: (working)
: ...
: Terminal character-sets:
: Local: Unicode/PC Code Page 437
: Remote: GL->G0: US ASCII (94 chars)
: GR->G1: PC Code Page 437 (96 chars)
: G2: PC Code Page 437 (96 chars)
: G3: PC Code Page 437 (96 chars)
:
: This is the string after updating the .17 to version *.20:
: ...
: Terminal character-sets:
: Local: Unicode/transparent
: Remote: GL->G0: US ASCII (94 chars)
: GR->G1: Transparent ()
:
Aha. What happens if you tell K95:
set term remote-character-set cp437 g1
- Frank
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From: "Chris Henschen" <chris@henschen.com>
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Subject: Re: Graphic characters instead of lines on 2000
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That seems to do it. Where would I put this so it would be permanent
whenever I would create a new connection?
Thanks,
Chris
"Frank da Cruz" <fdc@columbia.edu> wrote in message
news:a0q3qp$cdd$1@watsol.cc.columbia.edu...
> In article <u30r56ej95hrb9@corp.supernews.com>,
> Chris Henschen <chris@henschen.com> wrote:
> : This is the string in version *.17 from show character-set: (working)
> : ...
> : Terminal character-sets:
> : Local: Unicode/PC Code Page 437
> : Remote: GL->G0: US ASCII (94 chars)
> : GR->G1: PC Code Page 437 (96 chars)
> : G2: PC Code Page 437 (96 chars)
> : G3: PC Code Page 437 (96 chars)
> :
> : This is the string after updating the .17 to version *.20:
> : ...
> : Terminal character-sets:
> : Local: Unicode/transparent
> : Remote: GL->G0: US ASCII (94 chars)
> : GR->G1: Transparent ()
> :
> Aha. What happens if you tell K95:
>
> set term remote-character-set cp437 g1
>
> - Frank
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From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Graphic characters instead of lines on 2000
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In article <u31748501uhn3d@corp.supernews.com>,
Chris Henschen <chris@henschen.com> wrote:
: "Frank da Cruz" <fdc@columbia.edu> wrote in message
: news:a0q3qp$cdd$1@watsol.cc.columbia.edu...
: > Aha. What happens if you tell K95:
: >
: > set term remote-character-set cp437 g1
:
: That seems to do it.
:
Well, "set term type scoansi" is supposed to do it but evidently it's
not in 1.1.20. We'll have to take a look at that and fix it if it's indeed
a bug.
: Where would I put this so it would be permanent
: whenever I would create a new connection?
:
If you're using the Dialer, then try choosing "cp437" in the Terminal
tab for the connection (after choosing SCOANSI as the terminal type).
If you're not using the Dialer, then explain how you are launching these
connections and we can tell you what to do.
- Frank
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From: "Chris Henschen" <chris@henschen.com>
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Subject: Re: Graphic characters instead of lines on 2000
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That worked. Thank you very much.
Chris
"Frank da Cruz" <fdc@columbia.edu> wrote in message
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> In article <u31748501uhn3d@corp.supernews.com>,
> Chris Henschen <chris@henschen.com> wrote:
> : "Frank da Cruz" <fdc@columbia.edu> wrote in message
> : news:a0q3qp$cdd$1@watsol.cc.columbia.edu...
> : > Aha. What happens if you tell K95:
> : >
> : > set term remote-character-set cp437 g1
> :
> : That seems to do it.
> :
> Well, "set term type scoansi" is supposed to do it but evidently it's
> not in 1.1.20. We'll have to take a look at that and fix it if it's
indeed
> a bug.
>
> : Where would I put this so it would be permanent
> : whenever I would create a new connection?
> :
> If you're using the Dialer, then try choosing "cp437" in the Terminal
> tab for the connection (after choosing SCOANSI as the terminal type).
>
> If you're not using the Dialer, then explain how you are launching these
> connections and we can tell you what to do.
>
> - Frank
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Subject: Re: Sun Serial-Ports (and GPS)
Date: 31 Dec 2001 23:52:32 GMT
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In comp.protocols.kermit.misc Frank da Cruz <fdc@columbia.edu> wrote:
: You have to consider at least the following:
: 1. Making sure the serial port is configured, set up, enabled, etc.
: This is Solaris sysadmin stuff.
I would debug this using known sources, like a second serial port on the
same or different Solaris machine direct-connected, or maybe a Windows
machine running some serial software (Kermit-95 ;-)
: ranging from full modem control to three-wire (no modem control).
My Garmin eTrex has only three connections. GND, TX, RX, and I don't think
it does flow control.
: 3. Using an appropriate cable.
I'd test that with a windows machine, before moving to the Solaris box.
Kermit-95 reads the NMEA sentences just fine.
: You've received a number of answers on 1-4. For further info look at:
: http://www.stokely.com/unix.serial.port.resources
For cabling info, try http://www.pfranc.com
: in line with the data). If the GPS offers no mechanism for flow control,
: you'll need a process constanty reading from it.
I think the sentences come every second, and they aren't that large. At
4800 baud, it's not difficult to grab it all.
: Anyway, once you are able to see the GPS messages, then you can program
: Kermit (using its script language) to process the messages and do whatever
: you like with them: log them to a file, accumulate statistics, send alerts
: by email, pager, or whatever. To get started with Kermit scripting, see:
Kermit is handy, and I've used both Kermit-95 and Solaris Kermit to monitor
NMEA strings.
You didn't suggest what the real goal is, but there are many fine programs
for doing things with the NMEA data. Of course, most of them are Windows,
but there are some Macintosh, and a Java based system as well. I haven't
used any, but you might look at http://joe.mehaffey.com or
http://home.earthlink.net/~cwkelley/ or
http://www.wsrcc.com/wolfgang/ ftp area.
Also, look at the newsgroup
sci.geo.satellite-nav
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In comp.protocols.kermit.misc dold@38.usenet.us.com wrote:
: You didn't suggest what the real goal is, but there are many fine programs
: for doing things with the NMEA data. Of course, most of them are Windows,
: but there are some Macintosh, and a Java based system as well. I haven't
: used any, but you might look at http://joe.mehaffey.com or
: http://home.earthlink.net/~cwkelley/ or
: http://www.wsrcc.com/wolfgang/ ftp area.
: Also, look at the newsgroup
: sci.geo.satellite-nav
http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter/idx_nmeaprog.html
has some source in C++, and pointers to programs originating from Linux, so
they should be portable to Solaris.
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- Pope Valley (Napa County) CA.
From era@eracc.hypermart.net Thu Jan 3 17:50:25 EST 2002
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On Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:08:41, "Doug Holtz"
<dholtz@wi.rr.com> wrote:
+ I can't easily put files on my web site without first copying them
+ to the home directory, then copying them from the command prompt on
+ the server to the correct www directory on the second hard drive.
[...]
+ I can connect thru samba or ssh only.
Ok.
+ Any ideas?
Yes. (below)
+ Doug
If you can see your $HOME directory from the SMB server do the
following:
Login using ssh
$ su - root
# ln -s /the/www/base/dir /your/home/dir
# exit
$ exit
If you have write permission as a user to the www tree then you can
copy the files using the symbolic link in your home dir. Note that it
is a *bad* idea to make your www tree world writable so be careful
with the permissions in there. The default permissions may not allow
this to work.
Or, use c-kermit on your client and install c-kermit running IKSD on
your server and set it up for automating the transfer of updated
files to the www tree. You can configure kermit to use encryption if
needed and the developers at The Kermit Project give excellent
support. Here is the start page for their site:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit
Also the comp.protocols.kermit.misc group is a good place to ask for
support when setting up this kind of connection. I've added it to the
groups for this message.
Gene <gene@eracc.hypermart.net>
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From: "Tomasz Czaus" <atomikc@polbox.com>
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Subject: Re: xmodem, ymodem, zmodem
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U¿ytkownik "Wladimir Mutel" <mwg@fluffy.isd.dp.ua> napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci
news:1009618038.26973@firewall.isd.dp.ua...
> Tomasz Czaus <atomikc@polbox.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm looking for example about xmodem or ymodem or zmodem protocols
> > aspecially in object pascal or c. Where I found it ??
>
> Try to pick 'lrzsz' here - http://www.ohse.de/uwe/software/lrzsz.html
>
Thanks !!!
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From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: C-Kermit versus ALL-IN-1
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Does anybody out there still use (or have) ALL-IN-1?
Some years ago, as people started to try using C-Kermit under more and more
different VMS environments (interactive, DCL, Batch, spawned, captive, in a
mailbox, within ALL-IN-1, etc) more and more adaptations had to be made to
get it to recognize which kind of environment it was in, so it would know
how to treat the terminal, whether to echo commands, etc. These adaptations
became increasingly complicated and error-prone, to the extent that when
C-Kermit 8.0:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html
was released a few weeks ago, it turned out to be just about totally broken
for batch use and when spawned.
Because of this and a couple other bugs that surfaced after the 8.0 release
(despite a year of beta testing that never turned them up), we'll probably
be issuing a quick update. A candidate for this updated release is here:
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/tar/x.zip
("unzip -a" to unpack, and you'll need a C compiler to build it.) This
version has been verified to work interactively, in DCL, in batch, and
spawned, but not yet in some of the more esoteric environments like ALL-IN-1
or DECintact.
If anybody out there can please try it in these or any other strange VMS
environments you might have access to, I'd appreciate hearing back from you.
If all is well, we can go ahead with the update; otherwise further fixing is
needed.
Thanks!
Frank da Cruz
The Kermit Project
Columbia University
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/
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Frank da Cruz wrote:
> ("unzip -a" to unpack, and you'll need a C compiler to build it.) This
> version has been verified to work interactively, in DCL, in batch, and
> spawned, but not yet in some of the more esoteric environments like ALL-IN-1
> or DECintact.
Do you mean using kermit from the "standard" ALL-IN-1 subprocess with the
fake $ sign ?
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From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <3C3A48A1.7EF80549@videotron.ca>,
JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:
: Frank da Cruz wrote:
: > ("unzip -a" to unpack, and you'll need a C compiler to build it.) This
: > version has been verified to work interactively, in DCL, in batch, and
: > spawned, but not yet in some of the more esoteric environments like
: > ALL-IN-1 or DECintact.
:
: Do you mean using kermit from the "standard" ALL-IN-1 subprocess with the
: fake $ sign ?
:
I don't even know what I mean. I've never even seen ALL-IN-1. Any way that
you can test Kermit under or in or near or next to ALL-IN-1 would be a help.
- Frank
From shifeux@hotmail.com Tue Jan 8 14:32:50 EST 2002
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From: shifeux@hotmail.com (Shifeux)
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Subject: Kermit 8 FTP scripting
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Hello, I am writing a small kermit script using the built in ftp
client. The script works fine as far as stepping through the transfer,
but I am having problems working with the log files. I would like to
keep a detailed transaction log containing the status of the issued
commands. For example, when the script issues the following command:
ftp cd \%r
i would like to be able to send a line of text to the transaction log
to indicate the status of that command. I am able to do that using
the if fail or if success in the next line of the sctipt. But for a
failure I need to exit the script rather than carry through with other
commands. My example is as follows:
ftp cd \tmp\hello\
if success write TRANSACTION-LOG FTP Server Message:
\v(ftp_message)\13\10
if fail write TRANSACTION-LOG FTP Server Message:
\v(ftp_message)\13\10
I can't seem to add in an exit command to the if fail line. If i have:
if fail exit 1 write TRANSACTION-LOG FTP Server message:
\v(ftp_message)
the transaction log is never written. How and i string along more than
1 command in this statement? A (,) does not do the trick.
Is there an easier way to accomplish this type of logging?
Thanks.
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From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit 8 FTP scripting
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In article <336f652d.0201081116.4cd7a675@posting.google.com>,
Shifeux <shifeux@hotmail.com> wrote:
: Hello, I am writing a small kermit script using the built in ftp
: client. The script works fine as far as stepping through the transfer,
: but I am having problems working with the log files. I would like to
: keep a detailed transaction log containing the status of the issued
: commands. For example, when the script issues the following command:
:
: ftp cd \%r
:
: i would like to be able to send a line of text to the transaction log
: to indicate the status of that command. I am able to do that using
: the if fail or if success in the next line of the sctipt. But for a
: failure I need to exit the script rather than carry through with other
: commands. My example is as follows:
:
: ftp cd \tmp\hello\
: if success write TRANSACTION-LOG FTP Server Message:
: \v(ftp_message)\13\10
: if fail write TRANSACTION-LOG FTP Server Message:
: \v(ftp_message)\13\10
:
First of all, I assume these IF FAIL commands don't have line breaks in your
actual script. If they do, of course, the script has illegal syntax. So
what you meant to write was:
ftp cd \tmp\hello\
if success write TRANSACTION-LOG FTP Server Message: \v(ftp_message)\13\10
if fail write TRANSACTION-LOG FTP Server Message: \v(ftp_message)\13\10
Second: You can eliminate the ugly \13\10 notation as follows:
ftp cd \tmp\hello\
if success writeln TRANSACTION-LOG FTP Server Message: \v(ftp_message)
if fail writeln TRANSACTION-LOG FTP Server Message: \v(ftp_message)
Third: You shouldn't put an IF FAIL command after an IF SUCCESS command
unless you really mean to; I don't think that's what you want in this. So:
ftp cd \tmp\hello\
if success {
writeln TRANSACTION-LOG FTP Server Message: \v(ftp_message)
} else {
writeln TRANSACTION-LOG FTP Server Message: \v(ftp_message)
}
Fourth: Since the IF and ELSE commands are identical, you don't need
the IF statement at all:
ftp cd \tmp\hello\
writeln TRANSACTION-LOG FTP Server Message: \v(ftp_message)
Fifth: Backslash is a special character in Kermit commands. You might need
to double them in your FTP CD command:
ftp cd \\tmp\\hello\\
Or try:
ftp cd /tmp/hello/
which might be accepted by the server.
: I can't seem to add in an exit command to the if fail line. If i have:
:
: if fail exit 1 write TRANSACTION-LOG FTP Server message:
: \v(ftp_message)
:
: the transaction log is never written.
:
Did you give a LOG TRANSACTIONS command to open it?
The optional EXIT command arguments are (1) a number (exit status code) and
(2) a message to print (not a command to execute).
: How and i string along more than
: 1 command in this statement? A (,) does not do the trick.
:
The way to group commands in an IF statement is:
if <condition> {
command
command
...
}
Of course you can also have an ELSE part with one or more commands:
if <condition> {
command
command
...
} else {
command
command
...
}
In your case:
if fail {
writeln TRANSACTION-LOG FTP Server message: \v(ftp_message)
exit 1
}
- Frank
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Frank da Cruz wrote:
> I don't even know what I mean. I've never even seen ALL-IN-1. Any way that
> you can test Kermit under or in or near or next to ALL-IN-1 would be a help.
Ok, I will look at your previous message, extract the URL and attempt the
painful compile (microvax 3100 !).
However, I will compile it "no net" because I have all-in-1 running on a node
that still has CMU-IP. (and that is a microvax II, so by the time kermit would
compile on this, you'd be 3 versions of kermit later :-)
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I love you.
> First of all, I assume these IF FAIL commands don't have line breaks in your
> actual script. If they do, of course, the script has illegal syntax. So
> what you meant to write was:
>
> ftp cd \tmp\hello\
> if success write TRANSACTION-LOG FTP Server Message: \v(ftp_message)\13\10
> if fail write TRANSACTION-LOG FTP Server Message: \v(ftp_message)\13\10
Yep, I use google to post to the newsgroup and the lines wrap when I
paste into them.
> Second: You can eliminate the ugly \13\10 notation as follows:
>
> ftp cd \tmp\hello\
> if success writeln TRANSACTION-LOG FTP Server Message: \v(ftp_message)
> if fail writeln TRANSACTION-LOG FTP Server Message: \v(ftp_message)
All my code is ugly, but this is much better!
> Third: You shouldn't put an IF FAIL command after an IF SUCCESS command
> unless you really mean to; I don't think that's what you want in this. So:
>
> ftp cd \tmp\hello\
> if success {
> writeln TRANSACTION-LOG FTP Server Message: \v(ftp_message)
> } else {
> writeln TRANSACTION-LOG FTP Server Message: \v(ftp_message)
> }
this is exactly what I intended to do, I tried the if,then,else
originally but gave up after no success. I'll do it this way.
> Fourth: Since the IF and ELSE commands are identical, you don't need
> the IF statement at all:
>
> ftp cd \tmp\hello\
> writeln TRANSACTION-LOG FTP Server Message: \v(ftp_message)
I was using the if,then to get both success or failure messages into
the logfile, not just the server ftp message
> Fifth: Backslash is a special character in Kermit commands. You might need
> to double them in your FTP CD command:
>
> ftp cd \\tmp\\hello\\
>
> Or try:
>
> ftp cd /tmp/hello/
i didn't have any backslash problems at all
> which might be accepted by the server.
>
> : I can't seem to add in an exit command to the if fail line. If i have:
> :
> : if fail exit 1 write TRANSACTION-LOG FTP Server message:
> : \v(ftp_message)
> :
> : the transaction log is never written.
> :
> Did you give a LOG TRANSACTIONS command to open it?
yes i just didn;t paste that into my post
> The optional EXIT command arguments are (1) a number (exit status code) and
> (2) a message to print (not a command to execute).
>
> : How and i string along more than
> : 1 command in this statement? A (,) does not do the trick.
> :
> The way to group commands in an IF statement is:
>
> if <condition> {
> command
> command
> ...
> }
>
> Of course you can also have an ELSE part with one or more commands:
>
> if <condition> {
> command
> command
> ...
> } else {
> command
> command
> ...
> }
>
> In your case:
>
> if fail {
> writeln TRANSACTION-LOG FTP Server message: \v(ftp_message)
> exit 1
> }
>
> - Frank
Thank you very much for the help, you are my hero.
From not-a-real-address@usa.net Thu Jan 10 09:40:26 EST 2002
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<a1huc50mqf@enews3.newsguy.com> divulged:
>it's too bad that kermit is not part of most standard distributions. I think
>it's a licensing limitation.
it was part of many distributions, but it's been slipping as the need for a
file transfer mechanism other than http and terminal programs have been
reduced by the current assumption of `internet connectedness and web
ubiquity.'
,----[ from the license ]
| This is the new C-Kermit 7.0 and 8.0 license. The intention is to allow
| C-Kermit to be distributed with "free" operating systems such as GNU/Linux,
| FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, The Hurd, etc, even when the distributions
| themselves (such as Red Hat or Caldera) might be sold and/or might include
| applications that are not free,
`----
--
okay, have a sig then
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> Does anybody out there still use (or have) ALL-IN-1?
Indeed. Nearly 6000 ALL-IN-1 VAX Servers have current service contracts; and
this figure doesn't include the more recent generations of Compaq Office
Server. Multiply that by the number of users per server, and you get a
pretty healthy figure. So the products are alive and well and under
development; Office Server V6.1 will be going to Field Test in the (Northern
Hemisphere) Spring. For more information, sign up for the Mail and Messaging
newsletter at
http://www.openvms.compaq.com/commercial/offsvr/offsvr_signup.html
Now's a good time to sign up, as the latest edition is coming later this
month.
Thanks for the thought, Frank, and apologies for the mild rant. We (and many
users) appreciate having a new C-Kermit. Compaq Mail and Messaging is aware
of the issue, and tests will be in hand when the download's complete.
b
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In article <a1j89o0pid@enews4.newsguy.com>,
those who know me have no need of my name <not-a-real-address@usa.net> wrote:
: <a1huc50mqf@enews3.newsguy.com> divulged:
:
: >it's too bad that kermit is not part of most standard distributions. I
: >think it's a licensing limitation.
:
: it was part of many distributions, but it's been slipping as the need for a
: file transfer mechanism other than http and terminal programs have been
: reduced by the current assumption of `internet connectedness and web
: ubiquity.'
:
Yes, the modern Internet and Web come with a lot of connectivity tools that
are easy to use. The tradeoff is, they are also labor-intensive and (for the
most part) low-function and inflexible. For example, most point-and-click
file transfer tools assume everything is Windows (or everything is Unix) and
do not account for the distinction between text and binary files, or the
record-format or character-set differences among platforms. They certainly
don't allow for execution -- much less automation -- of complex tasks such as
the ones listed (for example) here:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/iksd.html#x1
or towards the end of this page:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpscripts.html
or, more generally, here:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/scriptlib.html
While the number of people who are concerned with such things might be an
increasingly minor segment of the total population of computer users, it is
nevertheless an important one, as these are the people who put together the
packages, systems, and networks that the end users click on.
- Frank
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hi all,
i have ms-dos kermit version 3.15, and 2 computers.
and, how i can connect via modem? i.e. 1st is 'server', 2nd is
'terminal'....
or how send file from 1st to 2nd via modem?
i use 'generic-high-speed' modem (microcom deskporte 56k)
thx
Beginner
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Subject: device in use ... locked by process ... must set line
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Platform: C-kermit 7.0, linux Mandrake (kernel 2.4.3-20), Lucent Venus
modem
A remote machine dials in and transfers files daily and weekly via
scripts launched by cron. Periodically, and unpredictably (once per
week to once per month), file transfer does not occur and the message
device in use ... locked by process XXXX ... must set line
is found.
At this point I get someone to kill the process (or reboot), then
everything works properly until the next time the same problem occurs.
I've been unable to do much of any debugging since the machine is many
hundreds of miles away and I have no remote access to it. What can I
do to fix this problem? Below is one of the dialout scripts. Others
like it are similar.
Thanks,
Steve
echo Setting params for Lucent Venus modem ...
pause 2
set modem type user-defined ppi
set modem hangup-method rs232-signal
set modem command autoanswer on ats0=1\13
set modem command autoanswer off ats0=0\13
set modem command compression on at%c1\13
set modem command compression off at%c0\13
set modem command error-correction on at&q5\13
set modem command error-correction off at&q0\13
set modem command software-flow at&k4s32=17s33=19\13
#set modem command init-string at&fw2s109=2s38=1s37=14\13
set modem command init-string at&fw\13
set modem command ignore-dialtone atx3\13
set modem command speaker on atm1\13
set modem command speaker off atm0\13
set modem command volume low atl1\13
set modem command volume medium atl2\13
set modem command volume high atl3\13
pause 2
set line /dev/modem
pause 2
set speed 38400
set dial retries 3
set dial interval 20
dial 9,X,XXX-XXXX
if failure exit
remote login XXXXX XXXX
remote cd /home/acct1/dropbox/
send /home/local/*.gpg
if failure send /home/local/*.gpg
hangup
exit
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From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: device in use ... locked by process ... must set line
Date: 11 Jan 2002 16:59:22 -0500
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In article <a88bce6c.0201110754.179d3598@posting.google.com>,
SB <sbrossette@medmined.com> wrote:
: Platform: C-kermit 7.0, linux Mandrake (kernel 2.4.3-20), Lucent Venus
: modem
:
: A remote machine dials in and transfers files daily and weekly via
: scripts launched by cron. Periodically, and unpredictably (once per
: week to once per month), file transfer does not occur and the message
:
: device in use ... locked by process XXXX ... must set line
:
: is found.
:
This is a message from the caller, right? In that case, it means what it
says. The "set line" command failed because the device is already owned
by some other process. In this case your script could sleep, loop, sleep,
loop, etc, until the line becomes free. Or it can send email to somebody,
whatever you want -- for example, if other lines have modems, you could
cycle through them until you get one. See the C-Kermit script library
for examples:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html
If it's from the callee, something is very wrong. If so, please follow up
with details (from your script, it looks to me like the callee is already
running Kermit in server mode, so I assume we are talking about the caller).
- Frank
From fdc@columbia.edu Mon Jan 14 09:47:14 EST 2002
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From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: New mini-release of C-Kermit 8.0
Date: 13 Jan 2002 20:09:14 -0500
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Hi all. Since C-Kermit 8.0.200 was released a few weeks ago, several bugs
that surfaced have been fixed and a few new features were added. First
the bugs:
. An obscure path through the code could cause the Unix version
of C-Kermit to dump core during its startup sequence. This happened
to only one person, but now it's fixed.
. When C-Kermit 8.0 is in Kermit server mode and the client says
"get blah", where blah (on the server) is a symlink rather than a real
file, the server unreasonably refused to send the linked-to file.
. When C-Kermit is an FTP client and says "get foo/bar" (i.e. a filename
that includes one or more path segments), it failed to accept the
incoming file (this happened only with GET, not MGET).
. The VMS version of C-Kermit did not work in Batch or when SPAWN'd.
To compound the problem, it also pretty much ignored the -B and -z
command-line options, whose purpose is to work around such problems.
. C-Kermit 8.0 could not be built on IRIX 5.x.
. The C-Kermit 8.0 build for QNX6 said it was an "(unknown version)".
Now the new features:
THE SET LOCUS COMMAND
The new FTP client was not as friendly to FTP users as it might have been
because certain commands didn't behave as FTP users expect: CD, DIR, DELETE,
MKDIR, etc, which in Kermit act locally rather than at the server, and there
are no LCD (etc), USER, or ACCOUNT commands. It's easy enough to add
missing commands, but how do we make CD, DIR, etc, act remotely rather than
locally without breaking existing practice? This was done by adding a new
command:
SET LOCUS { LOCAL, REMOTE, AUTO }
Sets the locus for unprefixed file management commands such as CD,
DIRECTORY, MKDIR, etc. When LOCUS is LOCAL these commands act locally
and a REMOTE (or R) prefix (e.g. REMOTE CD, RCD, RDIR) is required to
send file management commands to a remote server. When LOCUS is
REMOTE, an L prefix is required to issue local file management
commands (e.g. LCD, LDIR). The word LOCAL can't be used as a prefix
since it is already used for declaring local variables.
LOCUS applies to all types of connections, and thus is orthogonal to SET
GET-PUT-REMOTE, which selects between Kermit and FTP for remote
file-transfer and management commands.
The default LOCUS is AUTO, which means we switch to REMOTE whenever an FTP
connection is made, and to LOCAL whenever a non-FTP connection is made, and
switch back accordingly whenever a connnection is closed. So by default,
Kermit behaves in its traditional manner unless you make an FTP connection,
in which case it acts like a regular FTP client (but better :-)
LOCUS applies to the following commands:
Unprefixed Remote Local Description
CD (CWD) RCD LCD Change (Working) Directory
CDUP RCDUP LCDUP CD Up
PWD RPWD LPWD Print Working Directory
DIRECTORY RDIR LDIR Request a directory listinga
DELETE RDEL LDEL Delete (a) file(s)
RENEME RREN LREN Rename a file
MKDIR RMKDIR LMKDIR Create a directory
RMDIR RRMDIR LRMDIR Remove a directory
USER and ACCOUNT commands were added, which work only in FTP sessions, and
are equivalant to the USER and ACCOUNT commands of regular FTP clients,
and to Kermit's FTP USER and FTP ACCOUNT commands.
THE FTP OPEN /NOINIT COMMAND
A /NOINIT switch was added for FTP OPEN, which inhibits the automatic
sending of REST, STRU, and MODE commands to the server when the connection
is opened, since these have been reported to cause confusion in certain
servers (e.g. the Linux 2.4 TUX 2.0 FTP server was reported to close the
connection if it received a STRU F command).
CALLER ID
Rudimentary support for Caller ID was added to the modem dialer, for use
with the ANSWER command. If the modem reports Caller ID information, Kermit
stores it in variables that you can access after the call is answered:
\v(callid_date) The date of the call
\v(callid_time) The time of the call
\v(callid_name) The name of the caller
\v(callid_nmbr) The telephone number of the caller
\v(callid_mesg) A message
The format of these items depends on the originating and answering phone
companies and the modems and their configuration.
Not very many modems support Caller ID, and those that do (a) tend to have
it disabled by default, and (b) use different commands to enable it. A
quick survey shows of some current models shows:
- USR V.90: No
- ITU-T V.250: No
- Lucent Venus: No
- Diamond Supra: #CID=1
- Rockwell 56K: #CID=1
- PCTEL: #CID=1
- Zoltrix: +VCID=1
- Conexant: +VCID=1
To use Kermit's Caller ID feature, you have to set the modem to wait for
at least two rings before answering, and you have to give the command to
enable Caller ID; for example (after choosing a modem with SET MODEM TYPE):
set modem command autoanswer on ATS0=2#CID=1\{13}
set modem command autoanswer on ATS0=2+VCID=1\{13}
These commands can be undone with:
set modem command autoanswer on ATS0=1#CID=0\{13}
set modem command autoanswer on ATS0=1+VCID=0\{13}
Kermit presently has no built-in knowledge of the Caller ID capabilities
or commands of the modems in its database.
Since the variables can be accessed only after the call is answered, the
only way to refuse a call is to answer it, inspect the variables, and then
hang it up if desired.
WHERE TO FIND IT
The changes are currently available only in source-code archives:
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/tar/x.tar.gz
Unix source files, tar.gz format (gunzip).
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/tar/x.tar.Z
Unix source files, tar.Z format (uncompress).
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/tar/x.zip
VMS and Unix source files, unzip -a format.
This is Release Candidate 01 for C-Kermit 8.0.201. It has been built and
minimally tested on a fairly wide range of Unix and VMS platforms but the
public is always the best tester. Individual binaries will be added later
if no problems surface. Please send any questions or problem reports to the
usual place:
kermit-support@columbia.edu
Thanks!
- Frank
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Subject: [Q] local echo again: K95 on Win98
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Hi Kermiteers,
I am trying to reuse Kermit after a few years. Somehow, Linux package that
I have used did not have Kermit. I missed but I was not that active.
I found the project that I am working on requires the features of Kermit
- unattened file transmission by serial connection.
I've managed to get demo version of K95+ and installed on Win98 (Well,
I already ordered).
When I start it by "k95", I can not see what I type. So I scan the articles
here and found related articles. But none was working in this case.
set input echo on
; set output echo on
; set terminal echo local
set modem type none
set carrier-watch off
set port com1
Any suggestion will appreciated on this. Thanks in advance.
onions
onions@kr01.piahost.net
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From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: [Q] local echo again: K95 on Win98
Date: 21 Jan 2002 11:37:06 -0500
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In article <a2h4ns$rlm$2@news.nuri.net>,
onions <onions@kr01.piahost.net> wrote:
:
: I am trying to reuse Kermit after a few years. Somehow, Linux package that
: I have used did not have Kermit.
:
Complain to the package makers. Tell them to read this:
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/f/COPYING.TXT
The current version of Kermit for Linux is 8.0:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html
: I found the project that I am working on requires the features of Kermit
: - unattened file transmission by serial connection.
:
: I've managed to get demo version of K95+ and installed on Win98 (Well,
: I already ordered).
:
You began by talking about Linux and now we are talking about Windows. So
does this mean you are trying to call Linux from Windows?
: When I start it by "k95", I can not see what I type.
:
Do you see the K-95> prompt? Are you using the PC's real keyboard and
screen? Are you running Kermit 95 inside some kind of Windows emulator
under Linux? If not, how are you starting it? From the Start menu or
a desktop icon? From a command window? If so, what is your command shell?
: So I scan the
: articles here and found related articles. But none was working in this
: case.
:
If you can't type commands at the K-95> prompt, there is obviously a
fundamental problem, but you will have to give us more information before
we can help. Please give a more complete description of the computer,
operating system(s), and the environment in which you are trying to use
Kermit 95.
- Frank
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From: lvm@cowlitz.com (Larry Mann)
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Subject: Command line redirection with K95 ?
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Many years ago I wrote several Kermit scripts, on HP-UX, which were
run form the command line through standard input redirection and the
output was captured to file through redirection. I now need to move
these scripts to a Windows 2000 Server but have found that redirection
does not appear to work with K95. If appears simple to put the script
file name as the first param when calling K95 to specify the script to
run but have been unable to capture the remote systems response to
commands in a local file.
More explicitly, how would I capture the response to "rem dir" to a
local file for futher processing in a shell script?
Any suggestions would be appeciated,
Thanks, Larry Mann
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From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Command line redirection with K95 ?
Date: 21 Jan 2002 14:28:59 -0500
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In article <3d44a7c4.0201211041.639becb6@posting.google.com>,
Larry Mann <lvm@cowlitz.com> wrote:
: Many years ago I wrote several Kermit scripts, on HP-UX, which were
: run form the command line through standard input redirection and the
: output was captured to file through redirection.
:
This is not a good way to write scripts, for more reasons than I can
list here, but obviously you have discovered one of them.
: I now need to move
: these scripts to a Windows 2000 Server but have found that redirection
: does not appear to work with K95.
:
It doesn't read from "stdin", it reads from the keyboard.
: If appears simple to put the script
: file name as the first param when calling K95 to specify the script to
: run but have been unable to capture the remote systems response to
: commands in a local file.
:
: More explicitly, how would I capture the response to "rem dir" to a
: local file for futher processing in a shell script?
:
REM DIR foo.* > filename
- Frank
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From: lvm@cowlitz.com (Larry Mann)
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Subject: Using redirection when starting K95
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Hello,
Some years ago I wrote several Unix shell scripts that called Kermit
using redirection for both providing input from a Kermit script and
any response output to a file. This was done with HP-UX and C-Kermit
communicating with a remote Kermit server.
I now need to move these scripts from HP-UX and C-Kermit to Windows
2000 Server and K95. I have installed a Unix shell on W2K and all is
fine except the shell script lines that call Kermit, K95, do not seem
to accept redirection, for example:
k95 < in.ksc > out.txt
where in.ksc contains and is communicating with a remote Kermit
server:
set line com1
set baud 9600
rem dir c:/temp
This would capture a list of filenames from the remote server into
out.txt for further processing in the shell script.
I understand that I could provide the script name as the first item on
the Kermit command line, such as: k95 in.ksc and that's fine...
but how can I capture the standard output from this script to a file,
out.txt?
I've been away from Kermit for awhile so I may be missing the obvious,
but any help or advise would be appreciated. Thanks,
Larry Mann
(I attempted to post a similar message earlier today it did appear to
get listed so I am trying again)
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From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Using redirection when starting K95
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In article <3d44a7c4.0201211200.7a8591b0@posting.google.com>,
Larry Mann <lvm@cowlitz.com> wrote:
:
: (I attempted to post a similar message earlier today it did appear to
: get listed so I am trying again)
:
It did appear and I did answer it, but so as not to appear unresponsive,
will answer it again, especially as this posting is not the same as your
first one.
: Some years ago I wrote several Unix shell scripts that called Kermit
: using redirection...
:
As noted in the C-Kermit book, this is not how to write scripts. It
prevents all sorts of things from working, like GOTO, certain kinds of
loops, etc.
: ... for both providing input from a Kermit script and
: any response output to a file. This was done with HP-UX and C-Kermit
: communicating with a remote Kermit server.
:
: I now need to move these scripts from HP-UX and C-Kermit to Windows
: 2000 Server and K95. I have installed a Unix shell on W2K and all is
: fine except the shell script lines that call Kermit, K95, do not seem
: to accept redirection, for example:
: k95 < in.ksc > out.txt
:
Because Kermit 95 is not a Unix program and does not read from stdin.
If it did, it wouldn't be able to see the full keyboard, which is a must
for any PC-based terminal program.
: where in.ksc contains and is communicating with a remote Kermit
: server:
: set line com1
: set baud 9600
: rem dir c:/temp
: This would capture a list of filenames from the remote server into
: out.txt for further processing in the shell script.
:
: I understand that I could provide the script name as the first item on
: the Kermit command line, such as: k95 in.ksc and that's fine...
: but how can I capture the standard output from this script to a file,
: out.txt?
:
Again:
rem dir c:/temp > filename
You could have done this in C-Kermit too.
- Frank
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fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote in message
> You began by talking about Linux and now we are talking about Windows. So
> does this mean you are trying to call Linux from Windows?
To be exact, I am connecting from Linux to Windows in hostmode.
C-Kermit7.0 in Linux works fine at it used to.
> Do you see the K-95> prompt? Are you using the PC's real keyboard and
> screen? Are you running Kermit 95 inside some kind of Windows emulator
> under Linux? If not, how are you starting it? From the Start menu or
> a desktop icon? From a command window? If so, what is your command shell?
Both ways, by command from DOS windows and by icon clicking, showed the
same result.
Since what I have is K95demo.exe and is not working beyond 31 Dec 2001,
I have adjusted the time.
> If you can't type commands at the K-95> prompt, there is obviously a
> fundamental problem, but you will have to give us more information before
> we can help. Please give a more complete description of the computer,
> operating system(s), and the environment in which you are trying to use
> Kermit 95.
I have tested on notebook(Compaq) and 2 desktops with Win98 SE. Same result.
It recognize only "Enter" and "Control+C" and I have to kill the process
"Cntl+Alt+Del" to finish the process.
Summary is as below:
OS : Win98 SE
HW : notebook(Compaq Evo N150), 2 Desktops (Local Brand)
Staring Method:
start k95 by command in Dos windows.
start k95 by icon click.
Symptom:
I can get "K95>" prompt.
It recognizes "Enter", "Cntl+C" only.
"set input echo on" and other commands seems not work
(I put these command in "K95custom.ini" for test).
Note:
Same program with the same configuration works in Win2000.
> - Frank
Last word. "Frank, I do appreciate for your work".
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In article <8a794c4f.0201212000.42087c11@posting.google.com>,
onions <onions@kr01.piahost.net> wrote:
: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote in message
:
: > You began by talking about Linux and now we are talking about Windows. So
: > does this mean you are trying to call Linux from Windows?
:
: To be exact, I am connecting from Linux to Windows in hostmode.
: C-Kermit7.0 in Linux works fine at it used to.
:
But of course you can not see the K-95> prompt when you are connecting to
a Windows PC from another computer, to K95 host mode. Instead you see a
menu.
: > Do you see the K-95> prompt? Are you using the PC's real keyboard and
: > screen? Are you running Kermit 95 inside some kind of Windows emulator
: > under Linux? If not, how are you starting it? From the Start menu or
: > a desktop icon? From a command window? If so, what is your command shell?
:
: Both ways, by command from DOS windows and by icon clicking, showed the
: same result. Since what I have is K95demo.exe and is not working beyond
: 31 Dec 2001, I have adjusted the time.
:
: > If you can't type commands at the K-95> prompt, there is obviously a
: > fundamental problem, but you will have to give us more information before
: > we can help. Please give a more complete description of the computer,
: > operating system(s), and the environment in which you are trying to use
: > Kermit 95.
:
: I have tested on notebook(Compaq) and 2 desktops with Win98 SE. Same
: result. It recognize only "Enter" and "Control+C" and I have to kill the
: process "Cntl+Alt+Del" to finish the process.
:
: Summary is as below:
: OS : Win98 SE
: HW : notebook(Compaq Evo N150), 2 Desktops (Local Brand)
: Staring Method:
: start k95 by command in Dos windows.
: start k95 by icon click.
: Symptom:
: I can get "K95>" prompt.
: It recognizes "Enter", "Cntl+C" only.
: "set input echo on" and other commands seems not work
: (I put these command in "K95custom.ini" for test).
:
SET INPUT ECHO ON has nothing to do with echoing your command keystrokes.
: Note:
: Same program with the same configuration works in Win2000.
:
Let's forget all the complicated stuff. No host mode, no customizations,
no .INI files. On your Windows PC, at the real keyboard and screen, open a
command window. CD to the directory where K95 is. Type:
k95 -Y
which starts K95 and tells it not to read its initialization files.
What happens now? Do you see the prompt? Can you type commands?
: Last word. "Frank, I do appreciate for your work".
:
Thanks.
- Frank
From lvm@cowlitz.com Wed Jan 23 09:34:11 EST 2002
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From: lvm@cowlitz.com (Larry Mann)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Using redirection when starting K95
Date: 22 Jan 2002 17:02:06 -0800
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Frank,
I thank you much for your assistance in focusing me in the right
direction and I finally found the right place in the manual. I'm off
and running. I'm impressed with your quick response. Thank you, again!
-Larry
fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote in message news:<a2hum8$o2f$1@watsol.cc.columbia.edu>...
> In article <3d44a7c4.0201211200.7a8591b0@posting.google.com>,
> Larry Mann <lvm@cowlitz.com> wrote:
> :
> : (I attempted to post a similar message earlier today it did appear to
> : get listed so I am trying again)
> :
> It did appear and I did answer it, but so as not to appear unresponsive,
> will answer it again, especially as this posting is not the same as your
> first one.
>
> : Some years ago I wrote several Unix shell scripts that called Kermit
> : using redirection...
> :
> As noted in the C-Kermit book, this is not how to write scripts. It
> prevents all sorts of things from working, like GOTO, certain kinds of
> loops, etc.
>
> : ... for both providing input from a Kermit script and
> : any response output to a file. This was done with HP-UX and C-Kermit
> : communicating with a remote Kermit server.
> :
> : I now need to move these scripts from HP-UX and C-Kermit to Windows
> : 2000 Server and K95. I have installed a Unix shell on W2K and all is
> : fine except the shell script lines that call Kermit, K95, do not seem
> : to accept redirection, for example:
> : k95 < in.ksc > out.txt
> :
> Because Kermit 95 is not a Unix program and does not read from stdin.
> If it did, it wouldn't be able to see the full keyboard, which is a must
> for any PC-based terminal program.
>
> : where in.ksc contains and is communicating with a remote Kermit
> : server:
> : set line com1
> : set baud 9600
> : rem dir c:/temp
> : This would capture a list of filenames from the remote server into
> : out.txt for further processing in the shell script.
> :
> : I understand that I could provide the script name as the first item on
> : the Kermit command line, such as: k95 in.ksc and that's fine...
> : but how can I capture the standard output from this script to a file,
> : out.txt?
> :
> Again:
>
> rem dir c:/temp > filename
>
> You could have done this in C-Kermit too.
>
> - Frank
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From: onions@kr01.piahost.net (onions)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: [Q] local echo again: K95 on Win98
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fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote in message news:<a2jsb7$10i$1@watsol.cc.columbia.edu>...
> Let's forget all the complicated stuff. No host mode, no customizations,
> no .INI files. On your Windows PC, at the real keyboard and screen, open a
> command window. CD to the directory where K95 is. Type:
>
> k95 -Y
>
> which starts K95 and tells it not to read its initialization files.
> What happens now? Do you see the prompt? Can you type commands?
>
No.
I can see the prompt "[C:\K95\] K-95>" but
I can not see my typing.
Program reacts to "Enter" and "Cntl+C" only.
onions@kr01.piahost.net
From fdc@columbia.edu Wed Jan 23 09:34:36 EST 2002
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From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: [Q] local echo again: K95 on Win98
Date: 23 Jan 2002 09:33:07 -0500
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In article <8a794c4f.0201221644.41de0f4f@posting.google.com>,
onions <onions@kr01.piahost.net> wrote:
: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
: wrote in message news:<a2jsb7$10i$1@watsol.cc.columbia.edu>...
:
: > Let's forget all the complicated stuff. No host mode, no customizations,
: > no .INI files. On your Windows PC, at the real keyboard and screen, open a
: > command window. CD to the directory where K95 is. Type:
: >
: > k95 -Y
: >
: > which starts K95 and tells it not to read its initialization files.
: > What happens now? Do you see the prompt? Can you type commands?
:
: No.
: I can see the prompt "[C:\K95\] K-95>" but
: I can not see my typing.
: Program reacts to "Enter" and "Cntl+C" only.
:
Let's take this offline. Start K95 as:
k95 -dY
Make sure it exhibits the odd behavior. Terminate it however you can.
Send the resulting debug.log file to kermit-support@columbia.edu.
- Frank
From phb@aegle.fr Wed Jan 23 09:35:19 EST 2002
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From: phb@aegle.fr (Philippe Brun)
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Subject: access a COM port through TCP/IP
Date: 23 Jan 2002 02:08:07 -0800
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I'm running a client program on a Unix host and i want to access a
device connected to a COM port of a PC running Windows
So I'm trying to set up my PC to :
- listen for TCP connections on a predefined port
- open a (say) COM1 communication
- redirect information to and from both ports without any modification
Would kermit be able to do this for me ?
Thank you for your help
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From: onions@kr01.piahost.net (onions)
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Subject: Re: [Q] local echo again: K95 on Win98
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> : Summary is as below:
> : OS : Win98 SE
> : HW : notebook(Compaq Evo N150), 2 Desktops (Local Brand)
> : Staring Method:
> : start k95 by command in Dos windows.
> : start k95 by icon click.
> : Symptom:
> : I can get "K95>" prompt.
> : It recognizes "Enter", "Cntl+C" only.
> : "set input echo on" and other commands seems not work
> : (I put these command in "K95custom.ini" for test).
> :
I have installed Win98 (not Win98 SE) and K95 works fine.
All Win98 I am using are SE version.
All Win98 SE showed the same symptom.
It seems that K95 and Win98 SE version are not maching each other.
onions@kr01.piahost.net
From fdc@columbia.edu Wed Jan 23 11:31:49 EST 2002
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From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Kermit 95 SSH, FTP Client Ready for Beta Testing
Date: 23 Jan 2002 11:28:25 -0500
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This is to announce the first in a series of Beta tests for the
forthcoming new Kermit 95 release. As described in:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95next.html
we're entering Phase I of the testing, which is still Console only
(no GUI). The first Beta test includes thousands of new features,
of which the four big ones are:
1. Built-in SSH v1 and V2 clients:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/sshclient.html
2. A built-in, scriptable, and (optionally) secure FTP client:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpclient.html
3. An Internet Kermit Service for Windows NT, 2000, and XP:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/wiksduser.html
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/wiksadmin.html
4. InstallShield installation.
The Secure Shell client (based on OpenSSH 3.0.2p1) includes both SSHv1
and SSHv2 clients that can use Public Key, Kerberos 4, Kerberos 5, or
Secure Remote Password for authentication. SSHv2 GSSAPI KRB5 key
exchange eliminates the need for known_hosts files. Static and dynamic
port forwarding of X11 and arbitrary ports is supported. Key generation
and Agent support is integrated into the Kermit Script language. OpenSSH
configuration files are optional. (SSH Agent to be provided in
subsequent beta.)
Other new features include all the ones listed for C-Kermit 8.0:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html
The first Beta test is open only to people who are:
a. Currently registered Kermit 95 users on Windows 9x/ME/NT/2000/XP
(not OS/2, sorry); AND:
b. Citizens or permanent residents of the USA or Canada who are
also physically located in the USA or Canada.
(b) is because the Beta contains cryptography code regulated by USA
export law. If you fit both (a) and (b), and wish to participate in
the Beta, please send email containing your K95 serial number to:
kermit-support@columbia.edu
and you'll receive instructions.
Progress should be rapid and new Betas will be released frequently.
The emphasis is on stablizing the Phase I features (not adding more)
and moving on to the GUI.
Kermit 95 includes software from the following open source development
projects and individuals:
MIT Kerberos
http://web.mit.edu/kerberos/www
Stanford Secure Remote Password
http://srp.stanford.edu
OpenSSL
http://www.openssl.org
OpenSSH
http://www.openssh.org
Peter Runestig
ftp://ftp.runestig.com
Simon Wilkinson
http://www.sxw.org.uk/computing/patches/openssh.html
Tom Holroyd
http://members.tripod.com/professor_tom/archives/
The Kermit Project
Columbia University
New York City
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/
mailto:kermit-support@columbia.edu
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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: [Q] local echo again: K95 on Win98
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In article <8a794c4f.0201230633.42bd8fe7@posting.google.com>,
onions <onions@kr01.piahost.net> wrote:
: > : Summary is as below:
: > : OS : Win98 SE
: > : HW : notebook(Compaq Evo N150), 2 Desktops (Local Brand)
: > : Staring Method:
: > : start k95 by command in Dos windows.
: > : start k95 by icon click.
: > : Symptom:
: > : I can get "K95>" prompt.
: > : It recognizes "Enter", "Cntl+C" only.
: > : "set input echo on" and other commands seems not work
: > : (I put these command in "K95custom.ini" for test).
: > :
:
: I have installed Win98 (not Win98 SE) and K95 works fine.
: All Win98 I am using are SE version.
: All Win98 SE showed the same symptom.
: It seems that K95 and Win98 SE version are not maching each other.
Kermit 95 works fine on Windows 98 SE. I have it installed on my
laptop. So there is something else going on. What language version
of Windows 98SE are you using?
What is your locale?
Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 8.0 available now!!!
The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Telnet, FTP and HTTP
http://www.kermit-project.org/ secured with Kerberos, SRP, and
kermit-support@columbia.edu OpenSSL. Interfaces with OpenSSH
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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Command line redirection with K95 ?
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In article <a2hq5r$ai4$1@watsol.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@columbia.edu> wrote:
: In article <3d44a7c4.0201211041.639becb6@posting.google.com>,
: Larry Mann <lvm@cowlitz.com> wrote:
: : Many years ago I wrote several Kermit scripts, on HP-UX, which were
: : run form the command line through standard input redirection and the
: : output was captured to file through redirection.
Kermit 95 is a console application. So it normally receives keyboard
events and updates the screen buffers directly. However, it can be
instructed to process stdin or stdout using command line switches:
help option -#
-# <arg>
Kermit 95 Startup Flags
Argument:
1 - turn off Win95 special fixes
2 - do not load optional network dlls
4 - do not load optional tapi dlls
8 - do not load optional kerberos dlls
16 - do not load optional zmodem dlls
32 - use stdin for input instead of the console
64 - use stdout for output instead of the console
128 - do not terminate process in response to Session Logoff
So you would start k95 with:
k95.exe -# 96
to process both input and output via stdio.
Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 8.0 available now!!!
The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Telnet, FTP and HTTP
http://www.kermit-project.org/ secured with Kerberos, SRP, and
kermit-support@columbia.edu OpenSSL. Interfaces with OpenSSH
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Subject: Re: Command line redirection with K95 ?
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In article <a2hq5r$ai4$1@watsol.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@columbia.edu> wrote:
: In article <3d44a7c4.0201211041.639becb6@posting.google.com>,
: Larry Mann <lvm@cowlitz.com> wrote:
: : Many years ago I wrote several Kermit scripts, on HP-UX, which were
: : run form the command line through standard input redirection and the
: : output was captured to file through redirection.
Kermit 95 is a console application. So it normally receives keyboard
events and updates the screen buffers directly. However, it can be
instructed to process stdin or stdout using command line switches:
help option -#
-# <arg>
Kermit 95 Startup Flags
Argument:
1 - turn off Win95 special fixes
2 - do not load optional network dlls
4 - do not load optional tapi dlls
8 - do not load optional kerberos dlls
16 - do not load optional zmodem dlls
32 - use stdin for input instead of the console
64 - use stdout for output instead of the console
128 - do not terminate process in response to Session Logoff
So you would start k95 with:
k95.exe -# 96
to process both input and output via stdio.
Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 8.0 available now!!!
The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Telnet, FTP and HTTP
http://www.kermit-project.org/ secured with Kerberos, SRP, and
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Subject: Re: [Q] local echo again: K95 on Win98
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jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) wrote in message
> :
> : I have installed Win98 (not Win98 SE) and K95 works fine.
> : All Win98 I am using are SE version.
> : All Win98 SE showed the same symptom.
> : It seems that K95 and Win98 SE version are not maching each other.
>
> Kermit 95 works fine on Windows 98 SE. I have it installed on my
> laptop. So there is something else going on. What language version
> of Windows 98SE are you using?
>
> What is your locale?
>
It is Korean.
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